When your pocket says no but your body says yes
Theres no need to do dumb shit without getting something in return
Theres no need to do dumb shit without getting something in return
Blackpill [MGTOW] You are ruining your life sitting around doing NOTHING while waiting (unnecessarily) for a woman to join you
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This is huge in my opinion! Most people here have NOT accepted their lot in life. That is why they keep going on and on and on and on about how unfair it is and how unhappy they are. Or as if they believe willfully doing nothing and rotting will "teach the world a lesson" or accomplish something of any kind for them.
Once you actually accept that you're not going to have the fantasy life that you wanted, then it's up to you to decide what kind of life you DO want.
Today for example, I walked over to a Thai restaurant not far from me and had some chicken and noodles which was great. The only other people there were a pair of old whales eating together and a 25 year old girl eating alone as well.
Then I drove over to a beach. I started exploring in the opposite direction of the usual beaches most people go to along the coast. If you walk for 30 minutes in this way I discovered there are just endless secret beaches after beaches that no one goes to. I would see maybe 1-2 people per beach and some none at all. It was a rocky walk which is why people don't do it, but not hard.
I ended up having it all to myself. I didn't wear a swimsuit so at first I just waded up to my knees. Then I said fuck it YOLO, dumped my stuff in the sand, and went for a swim in my shorts. The water was beautiful especially after a 30 minute walk in the heat. Cool and calm.
I was on that specific beach for almost an hour and while there, I saw exactly three people walk by:
- One buff BBC who was walking alone
- One old white guy who was walking alone
- On old fat guy with an accent who was walking alone - I chatted with him a bit. I asked how he got there and he told me there's a cliff you can climb down to get there as well, so that's an alternate path though more dangerous (I looked at it and I'm scared of heights so nope...).
It felt so nice. It's hours later now and I'm still smiling. I can't believe I've lived this close to the water for 3 years and not gone once previously. It's amazing how we can so completely miss things when we stop looking.
I don't know what you guys enjoy in life, but this is what I enjoy. If you actually pay attention in the world, you'll also notice there are loads of other men doing the same everywhere you go.
Do I still wish I could be good looking? Or have a pretty slim young girl that wants me? Or to be taller or handsome or white enough girls would give me a chance? Or to relive my life where I didn't have all the problems I've had and I could be just a carefree healthy young person with a girlfriend?
Sure, I mean, of course. But I can't have that. It just doesn't work that way. I'm not gonna spend the next 50 years letting the fact that women hate Indians or short guys or ugly guys take everything else away from me too. I'm gonna keep trying to do the things I would like to do. Because that's all I can control. Nothing else is gonna change either way.
Today actually completely convinced me to start traveling solo. Some of the things I want to do:
- Climb Machu Picchu
- Go to Russia and fuck a hot Russian whore
- Visit Japan and see how our brother Japancels are living
- Swim with the sharks in South Africa
- See the volcanos in Hawaii
- Witness the Northern Lights under a campfire in the northern wilderness
The world keeps turning. Each day keeps passing. For my part, I'm not getting any younger. I'm gonna keep doing what I can while I can.
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No, this is bullshit as a general statement. While it may be true for some, I really don't want kids, in fact I absolutely refuse to have them. If I were given a choice between having kids or remaining incel for the rest of my life, I'd pick the latter.
I think you may be projecting tbh.
You need to tell me your secret. Because i tried all those things and more alone but doing shit on your own everytime gets old pretty fast.
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Before I proceed to write what I feel myself compelled to, let me offer a tiny defense of myself. For more than a decade, a span of time experienced as excruciatingly long or terrifyingly short depending upon how you spend it, I swore myself to the very same gospel you're attempting to preach here. As an exceptionally ugly man, a thing relegated to the penumbra cast by Nature's radiance, languishing in that twilight world reserved for those who are unable to live as men do but have yet to go wherever it is they do after they breathe their very last breath, I did my very damnedest to ameliorate my own damnation. I would spend weekend after weekend going out to watch films alone. Before I watched those pictures, I'd treat myself myself to meals I thought would provide me the tiniest bit of pleasure. Later I would read the works of poets and philosophers I'd have some admiration for. Every so often I would take a tour of our humble little state museum, the same my father took my brother and I to every weekend, desperate to concoct some potion brewed of nostalgia and beauty to alleviate the pain of something that had been born to live as a man but had been condemned to do so as a monster.
Sadly, all of my attempts at this desperate bit of slight-of-hand eventually failed me. To my credit, I worked the trick effectively enough for years upon years. Unfortunately, the day came when my jugglery at long last failed me. I went to dinner alone and was no longer able to note that I was the only one eating alone. I was surrounded by countless couples laughing together, sitting beside each other, holding each other's hands with all of the primal thrill of anyone who's been given license to participate in Nature's absurd passion play. Every morsel of food I ate became ash in my mouth. Sit in some theater hoping to enjoy a bit of art or, failing that, a couple of hours of escape, and there would always be the couple asking me to move so they could have the same experience as I was seeking while sitting next to each other. Which meant, of course, their experience would be fundamentally different than mine. When I returned to my tiny apartment after this sojourns into the land of the living, daring in a sense because each one was trespassing into a realm forbidden to me, I would try to read the works of those philosophers and poets I had once enjoyed for so very long in a desperate attempt to find some solace. Perhaps I could find something like joy breathing the dust of old books written by men long dead; maybe, just maybe, I could learn whatever occult secrets that gave those who lived in the twilight realm I found myself in the strength to keep living. Sadly, the poets all discussed the joys of erotic love. They may have done so through metaphor, they may have pretended to have aspired to something greater than the sensation of another person's skin upon their own, but eventually you can't help but notice the eternal thread winding its way through every work of philosophy, poetry or art. Though Dante harrowed Hell led by grim Virgil, he was able to do so because the loveliness of Beatrice was forever before him. Faust may have sold his soul in a wild gambit to learn the mysteries forbidden to men but it was the Eternal Feminine, the experience of which the vast majority men enjoy, and consequently take for granted, that rescued him from Lord Satan's grasp. You eventually realize that every single one of Nietzsche's aphorisms, supposed misogynist thought he was, was guided, inspired and informed by his unrequited love of the brilliant and beautiful Lou Salome.
To live in seclusion, to try and find beauty in isolation, has always been unnatural and always will be. Though cursed with the appearance of monsters, we abominations still have the spirits of men. We feel ourselves compelled to conform to the dictates of the creator God who said, in His infinite wisdom, that no man was meant to be alone. If called upon to indict Him for the crimes of either ineptitude or cruelty, we will always be able to offer ourselves up as undeniable evidence in the case lodged against Him.
Not that it matters, when all is said and done and every tally counted. The incel may serve as a living and breathing indictment of Nature's goodness but, fortunately enough, eventually all of the evidence in question will someday slip from the murky penumbra to the umbra completely beyond the reach of Her light. The most valuable child God and Nature produced during the course of their endless fucking was Death, the only one of their offspring with power to silence the voices of those with the authority to rightfully accuse both beautiful Mother and omniscient Father.
We should be able to find happiness by ourselves; it would be the proper compensation offered up to the things who are so repulsive that they have no choice but to go to the grave alone. Yet Father and Mother resent their errors, despise them, consider them nightmares that somehow had the strength to crawl from midnight into twilight. Unable to make the ugly happy, which would be blasphemy against natural law, they watch and wait and heave a final sigh of relief when Death comes and drags the ugly beneath the horizon, down into Sheol, where each and every one of their mistakes can be mercifully forgotten.
I've been battling a liver disease in the last 16 years, I've been forced to LDAR for most of that time, it's very slowly healed though & I almost feel fully healthy now.
However I have done some things in that time:
I've painted about 30 oil and acrylic paintings,
studied art for one year,
worked for 2 years
became really health conscious
learned how to play guitar and sing
bought a portable recording studio
played bass for 2 bands
listened to every album on earth that interests me
gone to concerts alone,
built radio control car kitsets
watched a lot of weird porn, anime/furry/dogcel-girls
collected every material possession I've ever wanted except a house
learned about WWII
read lots of books
started saving for a house deposit
spent a whole year fb trolling back when it was unmoderated
collected or watched hundreds of movies
Sometimes I feel happy about what I've done but I also get depressed about it too because it feels like I could have done a lot more if the universe gave me a chance..
I def need to try and get out more, I'm going to apply for a beekeeper job today, I probably won't get it though as they want someone with good references.
However I have done some things in that time:
I've painted about 30 oil and acrylic paintings,
studied art for one year,
worked for 2 years
became really health conscious
learned how to play guitar and sing
bought a portable recording studio
played bass for 2 bands
listened to every album on earth that interests me
gone to concerts alone,
built radio control car kitsets
watched a lot of weird porn, anime/furry/dogcel-girls
collected every material possession I've ever wanted except a house
learned about WWII
read lots of books
started saving for a house deposit
spent a whole year fb trolling back when it was unmoderated
collected or watched hundreds of movies
Sometimes I feel happy about what I've done but I also get depressed about it too because it feels like I could have done a lot more if the universe gave me a chance..
I def need to try and get out more, I'm going to apply for a beekeeper job today, I probably won't get it though as they want someone with good references.
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MGTOW=cope
It's lifefuel and I would do it if it wasnt for my massive social anxiety, its ironic how getting a gf would allow me to do all these things and cure my anxiety.
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Holy shit man you and me have a lot in common. ie. In that we've been forced by health problems to LDAR more than we would have liked, we feel like we could have done more with our lives if things had been different, and we both clearly prefer to be "productive" or busy than give in to apathy.
We have a lot of overlapping hobbies too. Well good for you anyway man. Keep doing what you can do. There's no one keeping score but yourself. But I do believe when you look back at your life you will be satisfied to know that you did your best every step of the way.
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Legit as fuck OP
I found this great youtuber talking about it too
He gets into it around 5 minutes in
MGTOW bro, because why waste time pursuing women when you could be doing so much more fulfilling things?
I found this great youtuber talking about it too
He gets into it around 5 minutes in
MGTOW bro, because why waste time pursuing women when you could be doing so much more fulfilling things?
I certainly have respect for mgtow, but I took the black pill because I got tired of telling myself that "life is good" while suffocating in a post feminism world. The realization that you're trapped in a society gone terribly wrong, is hard to ignore. I can't convince myself that Everything is fine, when all evidence suggests otherwise. I feel mgtow is a cope that might work if I was wealthy, but I can't afford to fund the hobby lifestyle many mgtow's can.
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That's not what I said. I say why waste time pursuing women when they don't want you anyway, and either way you're going to be alone?
I never said one activity or another is more fulfilling than women. I said it's irrelevant since women aren't an option you can choose to have.
This is basic blackpill. Again, people aren't swallowing it completely and then wondering why they're choking on it.
If you actually do swallow it, after that, you'll realize your options are:
1) Give up and rot completely,
2) Sit on a computer all day complaining, or
3) Do something else that might actually be fun for you
Given those choices I pick #3. But you're welcome to keep picking #2 instead if you like wallowing in your misery.
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Is there anything wrong with coping? As long as it doesn't try to deny the blackpill then i think it's fine.
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No, not really. As most of them are incels in denial, they don't really have much else to do. But the very idea is "y'all can do fine without wemyn brahs" screams cope.
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The blackpill just tells you women will never love you because they're hardwired to chase Chad genetics. What you do after that is up to you.
I don't know why people get so confused about all this.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE CHAD. WOMEN WILL NEVER CHASE YOU. SWALLOW IT. ACCEPT IT.
Then decide what you're going to do for the next 50-60 years.
The blackpill leads to a few basic pathways:
1) LDAR - rot in your room the next 30 years until your parents die then find a minimum wage job to support a basic apartment until you die.
2) Purgatory - complain and whine like @FACEandLMS (I love you buddy but you know it's true) beating yourself up 24/7 over things you can't change forever
3) MGTOW - move on with your life in the ways you can and try to live a life that is otherwise meaningful to you
Did you write that yourself? I think you used some hard words just for the sake of it but that was great. I have also thought all this but my language was never good enough to capture it all like this. What you said about litrature is true, pretty much everyone who even we look up to has experienced romance, the literature of the past have not much relation to our modern world, they deal with other problems of their time. Inceldom is so recent, the only writer on that issue is Houellebecq.
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Mgtow is the cope to end all copes. However, coping is what we do as incels - as the saying goes, it’s cope or rope. I frequently do these things on my own - gigs, cinema, eating out, travelling - I always take a book or iPad or laptop with me though. Eventually you get used to it and generally nobody else cares.
I am not waiting because I know nothing is coming.
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why is mgtow stuff being stickied, it's just delusional cope, chad does everything OP listed + gets to go balls deep in some prime 9/10 stacey
i don't just stay home and NEET but i am in no way going to delude myself that my life will ever be as fulfilling as a chads
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When did I ever say you should delude yourself into this? Half the "rebuttals" people on this forum make against MGTOW philosophy are strawmen just like this. I said many times in this thread that of course I would still love to be attractive or have women want me. That would be great.
But are you aware of any way to transform yourself into a Chad? Are you aware of any way to steal his life and take it for your own?
No?
Then what are you going to do?
Again, you people are just going around in circles and circles and circles in my opinion because you aren't really blackpilled yet. If you were, you wouldn't keep ruminating on it. You're ruminating because you haven't accepted it. You're choking on it.
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Op i very much agree with you and try do interesting shit as much as i can even solo, but imo this basically comes down to fundamental differences in personality.
Some people like you and me enjoy doing things in solitude, fuck i actually prefer solitude many times. However other people are probably simply wired different way and this cant just be changed by some discussion. So what im saying, to each their own and arguing about it is pointless.
Also bear in mind you are in your 30s and on top of your productivity so dont have problem with money. Im not ldaring or neetcelling, im already past college and working but i still cant do most things i would like because of money.
Most guys here are even younger collegecells who dont have money to do interesting shit
Some people like you and me enjoy doing things in solitude, fuck i actually prefer solitude many times. However other people are probably simply wired different way and this cant just be changed by some discussion. So what im saying, to each their own and arguing about it is pointless.
Also bear in mind you are in your 30s and on top of your productivity so dont have problem with money. Im not ldaring or neetcelling, im already past college and working but i still cant do most things i would like because of money.
Most guys here are even younger collegecells who dont have money to do interesting shit
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Cope.
Having empathy is cope?
I've actually cut down my time on this site @RageAgainstTDL for your OP reasons.
Im trying to ascend to at least not have a totally shit life.
But also, the more I sit on this site, the worse my anxiety and rage seems to get.
Still hop around every now and then because I like catfishing stories, but generally life feels better. (Still involuntarily celibate, but less depressed.)
90% sure if I shared this with the site, I'd keep getting called a fakecel / cucktears poster though, so I keep quiet.
But really, I'd recommend depressioncels take a week or two off from the internet and see if you feel better. I did
Im trying to ascend to at least not have a totally shit life.
But also, the more I sit on this site, the worse my anxiety and rage seems to get.
Still hop around every now and then because I like catfishing stories, but generally life feels better. (Still involuntarily celibate, but less depressed.)
90% sure if I shared this with the site, I'd keep getting called a fakecel / cucktears poster though, so I keep quiet.
But really, I'd recommend depressioncels take a week or two off from the internet and see if you feel better. I did
Well, cope.
I agree with the general message of this thread, but would like to nuance things a bit (at risk of confusing the brainlets here even further). I think one fact latent in the blackpill's evolutionary psychology roots is that a man will always be driven by a need for female validation, and that people here react against vain hopes of some MGTOW:ers of escaping this. We will never stop hoping, trying, and hurting (I think your own user name alludes to this). We will save for surgery, use penis pumps, and obsess over correlations between mating success and height/race/face on this board. It's in our DNA as surely as hypergamy is in women's. And to some extent this is fine; the non-truecel of us may even ascend eventually. Letting this drive go completely unchecked, though, will accomplish nothing but hurting yourself even further. I'd like to add one more possible pathway: that of the rope. But if you like most of us aren't brave enough for that, then aiming for a rich and active lifestyle as close to MGTOW as you can is certainly the least bad option.
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He was known as... Solo... Hand Solo
That's me except my house is clean and I don't wear a turtleneck.
That's me except my house is clean and I don't wear a turtleneck.
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Honestly I'm happy for you. The loniless some feel where doing those activities alone would be torture for them don't seem to effect you the same. Hope it all goes well in your life.
EXTREME HIGH IQ.
Not even joking. I am currently migrating to MGTOW more and more.
Everytime I do something outside during the summer I see half naked foids, EVERYWHERE. Constant suifuel. And I don't enjoy walking around in nature alone anyway so your copes are useless for me. I think you'll get bored of coping outside alone eventually, but have fun until you do. Just noticed I broke 666 posts btw damn hail satan.
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I share your same opinion about this. While the author of the topic is mostly right, I acknowledge that the pain can´t be ignored. I´ve chosen the blackpill over the redpill because the first shows the reality for what is. While I acknowledge the the great potential of the redpill, its main limit is refusing to admit that some things cannot be changed and that not always there´s hope for improvement. My only hope is that blackpill spreads like wild fire and erases the mess society has done through gynocentrism (femoidcentrism, maybe better).
This is quite legit and i'd follow it if i didn't want one thing and one thing only: children.
My hatred of women grows by the day though, so i'll eventually turn MGTOW if it goes over the top.
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If you're that easily triggered by "half naked foids" you might seriously want to consider prostitutes to desensitize yourself. After you've seen some very attractive naked whores enough times you will EVENTUALLY become desensitized to it and not be so impressed or care so much.
I'm not saying you'll lose your sex drive or stop being a man. But the degree to which seeing some average skank with her cellulite hanging out will bother you will definitely decrease. You'll think "I've seen better" and move on.
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Glad this was stickied. Unironically a high IQ post, OP. 
I really enjoyed this OP thanks for posting. Have you got anything else on your bucket list? I've considered what it must be like to hiking alone and reach a summit that you have earned etc. Beats sitting in the house complaining all the time — it definitely makes things worse and you become more bitter.
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Lmao stfu and LDAR like true genetic shit, if you even have an account on this site ITS OVER. Go back to r/mgtow buddy.
Great post, OP. You're right, it's important we leave our house, experience life and lead lives that others (including women) might actually wish to share.
I decided a few years ago that my lack of a relationship did not mean I had to stop enjoying life, so I started going to the cinema, attending plays and going to museums on my own. I really enjoyed it. Then I went on a couple of holidays with a friend, which whetted my appetite for more travelling. My friend now has a girlfriend and does all his travelling with her, but I've gone on to travel on my own twice a year. It's good, as long as I remember to steer clear of university campuses, which tend to be full of young and happy couples. Those trips are the greatest life fuel I know. I live for them.
It's the best. I have a bit of a limp, so walking isn't as easy for me as it is for some people, but I make a point of going on hikes, and they're getting increasingly long. I've walked on my own in deserts, rain forests, rice paddies and hills and I loved every single one of those walks. Last year I climbed a mountain in the Scottish Highlands on my own. I was so freaking proud when I made it to the summit, even though the views kind of sucked. It was an amazing experience. I totally recommend it.
Hiking on your own isn't recommended because of the risk of accidents, but as long as you stick to popular trails with other people on them and bring warm clothes and plenty of food and water you'll be fine. It's actually good to hike on your own because you can walk at your own pace, stop to take pictures, that sort of thing. I find it enhances the experience rather than detracting from it.
I decided a few years ago that my lack of a relationship did not mean I had to stop enjoying life, so I started going to the cinema, attending plays and going to museums on my own. I really enjoyed it. Then I went on a couple of holidays with a friend, which whetted my appetite for more travelling. My friend now has a girlfriend and does all his travelling with her, but I've gone on to travel on my own twice a year. It's good, as long as I remember to steer clear of university campuses, which tend to be full of young and happy couples. Those trips are the greatest life fuel I know. I live for them.
It's the best. I have a bit of a limp, so walking isn't as easy for me as it is for some people, but I make a point of going on hikes, and they're getting increasingly long. I've walked on my own in deserts, rain forests, rice paddies and hills and I loved every single one of those walks. Last year I climbed a mountain in the Scottish Highlands on my own. I was so freaking proud when I made it to the summit, even though the views kind of sucked. It was an amazing experience. I totally recommend it.
Hiking on your own isn't recommended because of the risk of accidents, but as long as you stick to popular trails with other people on them and bring warm clothes and plenty of food and water you'll be fine. It's actually good to hike on your own because you can walk at your own pace, stop to take pictures, that sort of thing. I find it enhances the experience rather than detracting from it.
I prefer solo nightclubs than going with Chad friends for this reason, too. I get too jealous of the pussy my friends pull.
I never meet new people if I go with a group. It's a pretty good cope tbh.
Tbh maybe I should go more alone. I've done it a couple times but got that "what will people think" bullshit feeling....
But I've also had the opposite experience, in that I tend to meet more people when I go with the Chad crew, but the pressure is so high when I am the only one alone at the end of the night I just walk to some 24 hour fast food and call an uber then lie and tell them I went home with a bitch.
The couple times I have flown solo I wasn't used to initiating contact as much due to the Chad friend presence. It was awkward but maybe I will get used to it.
this is the kind of shit that make me vomit..to have that mentality is extremely cucked.
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I'm glad I found the MGTOW community before Incel, so I was able to hear that message first. I stopped approaching women a long time ago, after I discovered what female nature was really like from MGTOW. Women just didn't interest me anymore, since I learned that what I wanted from them (unconditional love, friendship, all the Male-mother need crap) simply wasn't real, especially when you're ugly. I don't chase fantasies; it's just not who I am. If something isn't real, I don't try and force it (kind of like belief in God).
However, I do have my own philosophy; that your genetics determine your success in life. I got that from watching Stardusk videos.
I hate going out personally, but I would love to visit Germany to see Wacken Open Air, especially if one of my favorite bands (ie, Kreator, Sodom, Sabaton, etc) were performing. That would be the experience of a lifetime.
Thanks for trying to uplift, but I think many incels have already tried doing some of the things you did, only to find that it didn't end well.
However, I do have my own philosophy; that your genetics determine your success in life. I got that from watching Stardusk videos.
I hate going out personally, but I would love to visit Germany to see Wacken Open Air, especially if one of my favorite bands (ie, Kreator, Sodom, Sabaton, etc) were performing. That would be the experience of a lifetime.
Thanks for trying to uplift, but I think many incels have already tried doing some of the things you did, only to find that it didn't end well.
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I kind of have to agree with OP, it's pragmatism above all, if you can't make your life worth while without a relationship with a woman you should kill yourself, it's that easy. I used to LDAR all weekends, but now I at least go chill with my new friends at the local hackerspace and help people out with their electronics projects, it's been a ton of fun, way better than just laying in bed all day.
I already do pretty much what I want to do... which doesn't include going out and swimming and traveling and concerts and any of that normie shit. Even when I was a kid (like 6-7 years old) my parents had to literally throw me out of the house, otherwise I'd stay in my room 24/7. It's even better when I have my own place.
This post is both high IQ and gigacope.
Reproduction is at the center of all life.
Reproduction is at the center of all life.
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