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if u unironically believe sub8 u are legitimately delusional
if u unironically believe sub8 u are legitimately delusional
Sub 8 doesn't mean every person who isn't an 8 isn't an incel, sub 8 is just the minimum for what women consider physically attractive. Yes you'll find sub 8's in relationships, but those relationships are usually riddled with issues and a lot of cheating.
People keep misrepresenting sub 8 as meaning everyone who isn't chad is an incel which is obviously not true.
to get an average looking foid.
It’s not about “getting” women, it’s about being sexually attractive to women.
You might have a girlfriend, doesn’t mean she finds you inherently(biologically) attractive.
To me Sub8 means that you will eventually get cucked and you need to do alot more to enjoy stacy tier pussy if you aren't chad.The reason sub-8 is wrong is because i still see NT, well-socialized high-tier normies with decent looking girlfriends. Therefore when incels on this forum keep spamming "muhhh sub-8" normies assume that we all live in basements and never go out, because sub-8 isn't a realistic claim.
sub-6 is closer to reality. You need to be at least a high-tier normie, fashion-maxxed, gym-maxxed and social-circle maxxed to get an average looking foid.
7 is workable anything below is just wagiecucking a whore.The reason sub-8 is wrong is because i still see NT, well-socialized high-tier normies with decent looking girlfriends. Therefore when incels on this forum keep spamming "muhhh sub-8" normies assume that we all live in basements and never go out, because sub-8 isn't a realistic claim.
sub-6 is closer to reality. You need to be at least a high-tier normie, fashion-maxxed, gym-maxxed and social-circle maxxed to get an average looking foid.
It's less about having a good personality and more jestermaxxing than anything else. They're essentially just the foids dancing monkey and have to work constantly to keep her entertained lest she get bored and move on (which is usually inevitable regardless). The point is sub 8 relationships suck and are usually borderline abusive at best, or full on cuck shit at worst.
who cares if she finds you attractive or not WHEN YOU'RE FUCKING HER.
Chad doesnt have relationship issues or get cheated on? Jfl if you think thats limited to sub 8 menYes you'll find sub 8's in relationships, but those relationships are usually riddled with issues and a lot of cheating.
This is what I have been trying to tell sub 8 law theorists for a long time, however as stated above, being an 8 or above is ideal.fair enough, 6s and 7s can also get women though, it just requires more effort/work because they are lacking in looks. I don't look at these "sub-X" laws in terms of who can get women without effort, i look at it more in terms of "who can get women without having to pay via money or money and status".
Low IQ Escortcel simp cuck logic.
Here's the reason why Sub8 is too strict: phenotypes. Yes, almost all of beauty is objective, but where it ISN'T is across phenotype/racial preferences. There's even preferences in different archetypes of masculinity among girls although they all converge to DOMs over time (partially because this is the only group that maintains its good looks in the long-term).Sub 8 doesn't mean every person who isn't an 8 isn't an incel, sub 8 is just the minimum for what women consider physically attractive. Yes you'll find sub 8's in relationships, but those relationships are usually riddled with issues and a lot of cheating.
People keep misrepresenting sub 8 as meaning everyone who isn't chad is an incel which is obviously not true.
The reason sub-8 is wrong is because i still see NT, well-socialized high-tier normies with decent looking girlfriends. Therefore when incels on this forum keep spamming "muhhh sub-8" normies assume that we all live in basements and never go out, because sub-8 isn't a realistic claim.
sub-6 is closer to reality. You need to be at least a high-tier normie, fashion-maxxed, gym-maxxed and social-circle maxxed to get an average looking foid.
That dude is a 9 bro. This is an 8: (dogpill included lol)By 8 we mean people who look like this:
Sub8 means you are just 1 point less than this guy.
If you are a sub8 coper, I think it's a good time to reevaluate your cope.
it's the minimum to escape from women's bullshit.
so anybody who isnt an egoist is low IQ? ego has nothing to with intelligence, it's all to do with mindset.
Someone of your mindset will always be disappointed in life, because no amount of money or status will cause a woman to be genuinely attracted to you. You will always be chasing something which can never be satisfied, so you will remain unhappy based on the self-imposed limitation you have placed upon your happiness.
Meanwhile, I understand that i will never be truly loved for who I am and that nothing i do will ever change that fact, so i have accepted my reality (which is out of my control), enabling me to come to peace with my existence. I no longer crave something which can never be satisfied, that way i can never be disappointed.
high iq tbhSub 8 doesn't mean every person who isn't an 8 isn't an incel, sub 8 is just the minimum for what women consider physically attractive. Yes you'll find sub 8's in relationships, but those relationships are usually riddled with issues and a lot of cheating.
People keep misrepresenting sub 8 as meaning everyone who isn't chad is an incel which is obviously not true.
Was going to say thisSub 8 doesn't mean every person who isn't an 8 isn't an incel, sub 8 is just the minimum for what women consider physically attractive. Yes you'll find sub 8's in relationships, but those relationships are usually riddled with issues and a lot of cheating.
People keep misrepresenting sub 8 as meaning everyone who isn't chad is an incel which is obviously not true.
Someone of your mindset will always be disappointed in life, because no amount of money or status will cause a woman to be genuinely attracted to you. You will always be chasing something which can never be satisfied, so you will remain unhappy based on the self-imposed limitation you have placed upon your happiness.
didn’t read.
I don’t care that much about being attractive to women, but you’re deviating the conversation, the point is; Only a very small percentage of men are sexually attractive. That’s a fact regardless of how you feel about it.
sub8 doesnt mean you cant get a girlfriend , it just means that you wont get true desire , she wont get the tingles like she gets with Chad .The reason sub-8 is wrong is because i still see NT, well-socialized high-tier normies with decent looking girlfriends. Therefore when incels on this forum keep spamming "muhhh sub-8" normies assume that we all live in basements and never go out, because sub-8 isn't a realistic claim.
sub-6 is closer to reality. You need to be at least a high-tier normie, fashion-maxxed, gym-maxxed and social-circle maxxed to get an average looking foid.
ThisThe reason sub-8 is wrong is because i still see NT, well-socialized high-tier normies with decent looking girlfriends. Therefore when incels on this forum keep spamming "muhhh sub-8" normies assume that we all live in basements and never go out, because sub-8 isn't a realistic claim.
sub-6 is closer to reality. You need to be at least a high-tier normie, fashion-maxxed, gym-maxxed and social-circle maxxed to get an average looking foid.
Sub 8 doesn't mean every person who isn't an 8 isn't an incel, sub 8 is just the minimum for what women consider physically attractive. Yes you'll find sub 8's in relationships, but those relationships are usually riddled with issues and a lot of cheating.
People keep misrepresenting sub 8 as meaning everyone who isn't chad is an incel which is obviously not true.
Obviously sub8 men get in relationships, but when you factor in the amount of those relationships that are a cucked one (betabuxx, poly, etc) and then also include into which the female actually is attracted to said male, then only people who are above 8/10 can have a good relationship that he knows he will not be chated on in (And even then, some 8/10 men still get fucked over by females)true but sub 8 isn't the minimum for having sex, it's the minimum to escape from women's bullshit.
Your avi:Yes I don't get how people can believe it
Your avi:
Arkantos' me. XD
I might have been a bit harsh tbh but the idea that no one but chad can have happy relationships is stupidI see
You’re acting as if ‘effort’ expended in a social context is a finite resource that amounts to more value saved the less is spent, that is such an autistic way of viewing reality. What you call ‘jestermaxxing’ is not an imperative reserved purely for cucks and simps. Chads, egotistical as they are, want to be seen as funny by the women they are courting, they will make an effort to be so despite the fact women will likely laugh at whatever they say regardless of whether it was funny or not. You may consider it pathetic because it requires action, but being funny is a genuinely valuable social resource even to ugly men and it will raise your social standing regardless of the fact you are having to earn it or not. This is true despite the fact Chads have this privilege bestowed at their feet without barely having to utter a word.I feel like "effort" in this sense is just as bad as having to pay really though. Having to constantly simp for and entertain an entitled whore just to fuck her is exhausting, hardly what I'd call an ideal relationship. It's why her being attracted to you is importantly, because only then do you have enough power in the relationship to not have to deal with all her entitled bullshit and can instead make her work for your approval, or at the very least not have to work for hers.
misdirection tbhdidn’t read.
I don’t care that much about being attractive to women, but you’re deviating the conversation, the point is; Only a very small percentage of men are sexually attractive. That’s a fact regardless of how you feel about it.
There is nothing women find less attractive (other than an ugly man of any description) than a man who is overtly desperate to please / impress them. Sure, I’ve seen guys who love to perform and be the centre of attention, but they are genuinely getting a kick out of making people laugh, they do not consider it ‘work’ or an unworthy expenditure of their time, they enjoy the attention and the laughs and know no other way to be.There's a big difference between being casually funny and jestermaxxing, which is where you have to constantly put on a performance for people. The casual funny is more a back and forth thing rather than putting on a show for her entertainment, it's a lot more organic than jestermaxxing.
Jestermaxxing is when you're having to put in far more time to entertain them than they will put in for you, hence why you are their jester. And yes it is a finite resource in the sense that time is a finite resource, you're forced to spend a significant portion of your time entertaining her in a one sided deal, knowing full well if you ever want to have time to yourself and not spend every waking moment keeping her entertained she'll ditch you in a moments notice. This is very different to what chad gets, where the woman in question will be the one trying to entertain chad, or at the very least bother him less, as in those cases he is not expendable to her.
Jestermaxxing can get really bad, to the point where the woman will expect you to do things that actively endanger your life and health for her entertainment in some of the more extreme cases, such as her trying to get you into fights with other men so you'll fight for her entertainment and such.
Good eyesI see
This. My brother, you never disappoint.By 8 we mean people who look like this:
Sub8 means you are just 1 point less than this guy.
If you are a sub8 coper, I think it's a good time to reevaluate your cope.
I think he's just an 8-8.5 in god-tier lighting tbh.
true but he is a 9 in that picI think he's just an 8-8.5 in god-tier lighting tbh.
This. My brother, you never disappoint.
But you can’t seriously be telling me that you believe this jestermaxxing dynamic to be the basis of most normie relationships?Well a lot of this will depend on the women in question, some have different priorities to others. The kind of women who only go for the top 20% of course will not be interested in these jestermaxxers, however there are some women who see benefit to having these men around for their own personal entertainment. They enjoy the attention and like having a dude who makes them his entire world, adhering to their every beck and call. Yes they are indeed not very attracted to them, because it works similar to the way gold diggers work, it's just another form of value they extract from these men.
These relationships in my experience rarely ever last though, as the woman usually gets bored of them inevitably and moved on to her next jester. I'd say by and large these kinds of relationships last about 1 or 2 years at most, they're of course completely unsustainable by their nature.
This is of course for sub 8s dating attractive women, obviously you'll find 7/10 guys dating ugly women as well, I've seen a very large amount of chadlites who're resorting to just dating lard arses these days.
You have to be emotionally thrilling/entertaining throughout a relationship no doubt just to even get into one. Being boring is an option for almost no men. Not trying to get posted on IT but a relationship predicated on abuse, manipulation, etc is more likely to last (even across less-attractive men) than a boring one for this exact reason. Attention as a "currency" in a relationship is huge as well. That's the reason why almost every military guy gets cheated on very, very quickly.It is the basis for a lot of them and I've straight up seen it for myself, but attractive women here I mean non-obese women, which is what a lot of men are being reduced to dating now that nonfat womens standards are increasing exponentially. a 7/10 will have to jestermaxx for a 6/10 women, or be reduced to dating a 3/10 hambeast.
The fact is they're working themselves to the bone to please women who're actually WORSE looking than they are. I unironically see normal looking or even above average looking dudes dating women far worse looking than they are these days. Fit guys walking around holding hands with women who weigh 250lbs in pure fat, its fucked.