I.N.C.E.L. High Command
- Oct 11, 2019
- 92d 16h 15m
At some point, you have to look past doubts of nationalistic and patriotic brainwashing and say that they made a conscious choice to sign up and fight. A job where the average person knows has a track record for acting aggressively like a bully towards nations that did nothing to it is not a noble one. As I said, the only noble fight is the one where you defend your home, not attack somebody else's (inb4 9/11 defending your home by bombing goat herders in Afghanistan).Fair enough, but I still don't see why that warrants hate.
I could understand a certain amount of discontent, but hating them doesn't really make any sense.
It's not hating the soldier, btw. Hate is a pretty strong emotion.
"Just trying to survive" is not a morally justifiable argument for signing up to be an imperialist foot soldier. You can apply that logic to gangbanging and selling smack too. You can apply it to virtually anything really, since we're all just out here trying to survive.In what way is what their doing not okay?, they're just trying to survive like anyone else, if a man's life is going nowhere you shouldn't shame him for enlisting, he's just doing what he thinks is the best option for him to have a future.
I'm not comparing the inner workings of each group and saying they're the same. No shit, they're different. But when the rubber hits the road and you're called up to do your job you're just another asshole holding a gun waiting on orders. Your arm patch, your missions, and your organizational mandates are different, but you're still doing what you're told, and most of the time that's going to be shooting others, or employing the threat of violence at the very least.Here we go again with comparing soldiers to gang members, I don't think that you really understand the concept of context. When you're a gang member you have to get your ass beaten in order to join, you have to smuggle and sell drugs, get tattoo's in order to represent your gang, get arrested for doing crimes which can easily put you in for years on end, on top of that people EXPECT you to not snitch on them, no matter how much they disrespect you. The military isn't a good environment either, don't get me wrong, but at least there you'll be able to get tactical training to defend yourself, you won't have to get any tattoo's, and if you're stationed overseas you'll be able to play your hand at locationmaxxing.
NO, they don't. Where does this stupid idea come from? You're not entitled to respect from a person by default for having experienced some horror that the same person hasn't experienced. That doesn't make them or what they went through "respectable" or admirable. WTF is that shit? You've really gotten drunk on the Kool-Aid and gotten your gluttonous fill of the "soldiers are heroes" propaganda.My point is, soldiers see a lot of shit, and they deserve respect for all of the shit they have to go through, some watch their friends get blown up, some get crippled, and others end up homeless themselves.
If you're still adamant on this notion of "there for the money" and fail to see anything mercenarial about that and still believe the job to be noble, then I don't know what to say to you.They don't just wake up and say "yeah, I'm ready to go and kill people" most just wanna get their paycheck and go home.
When you knowingly sign a contract and take an oath with the knowledge that you'll very likely be committing injustices against other people on executive orders to deploy you in foreign lands and you won't have a say in it, then that makes it MUCH worse than the naive simpleton who signs up thinking they're defending their papa's ranch in Wyoming by killing some sand niggers thousands of miles away.They're not an invading aggressor by choice, that hate should be focused by the people in charge who turn them into one.
Then don't sign up to be a cog in the corporate, globalist war machine, because (surprise motherfucker) they will cash in their training investment into you and reap their profits when you're sent overseas and get put on patrol to defend an oil pipeline. Don't expect me to call you a hero when insurgents blow half of your limbs off when an RPG explodes too close for comfort, because ZOG bosses want to ensure their ROIs.I highly doubt that a high percentage of them actually want to go to war and kill people, I'm pretty sure that most of them would prefer to not see any combat whatsoever.
I'll feel sorry for you and hope you find peace in your current state, but I won't hate you, nor respect you for your decision that led you to that point.
Disrespect is not synonymous with hate. You have no idea how much hate I have for those who start wars, but I do respect them for their cunning in deceiving an entire nation to give them support in for-profit wars.So why do you hate soldiers specifically so much?, shouldn't you be hating on the people who actually start these wars?, as I've said before the soldiers on the ground have nothing to do with such planning, as far as they're aware everyone who isn't american is a potential enemy.
What fucking world are you living in? You're clearly naive and starry-eyed when it comes to soldiers, and are blind to the realities of war that break people and push them to commit atrocities, or have strong prejudices and decide to kill civilians because they can. If a soldier gets killed in an ambush, the rest of the squad wants blood for the death of their brother. Some of them commit atrocities with all of that testosterone and adrenaline flooding them. The next time they're out on a raid to capture/kill militants hiding in some village, they'll decide to kill the village elder and his sons for payback for housing the militants responsible for killing one of their own. There's a bunch of war crimes that happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, and those are the ones the public knows about. Trump himself recently pardoned one of them. A SEAL, I think it was.When you want to blame someone for a warcrime you don't look at the people on the ground, risking their lives, you look at the people above, who put them in those situations when they could easily be back home.
I'm starting to think you're idea of soldiers and soldiering might be informed predominantly by Call of Duty games.
I don't know, I wasn't alive in the 1960s. If I had to guess, I'd say they blamed Nixon and Johnson for starting the war and blamed the soldiers for fighting it, discounting those forcibly drafted.Do you think people blamed soldiers for starting the Vietnam war?, or do you think they blamed Nixon and Johnson?
No, I wouldn't. Stop presuming such things. I'd probably join a defensive militia tbh. But that's besides the point, because I already said how defending your home against an aggressor is always going to be justified. I'll also add that it's justified in rare cases that can invoke casus belli, like WW2.You wouldn't be saying that if the us became a war zone, if it did you would be begging the military to save your sorry ass
I already covered this. The profession is tainted and not deserving of respect by virtue of itself.Not much of a difference IMO, a soldier is defined by his profession, just as much as the president is defined by his.
Doesn't mean you should respect all soldiers, some of them don't deserve any respect whatsoever, but you should at least assume they deserve respect given the context of their position.
I didn't say it was, nor did I blame him for going. I just think his decision to go was fundamentally wrong on principle. But how the fuck do you not anticipate that there would be so many deaths when you GO TO WAR?Wasn't his fault that the war happened, he was just brainwashed into thinking that what he was doing was a good thing, but he probably never anticipated that there would be so many deaths.