I disagree with the concept of crucifying pedophiles. Although I do not defend it, I think it's not necessarily a permanent affliction and that it should be possible to lure pedophiles into a more open-minded sense of who they could have as romantic partners.
I think many of us actually went through a pedophile phase when we were prepubescents ourselves, unless you ALWAYS preferred to to fuck big-tiddy post-pubescent women for as long as you had a libido.
I know I actually had a 2nd phase of it in my late adolescence where I began to get disgusted by post-pubescent and mid-pubescent sluttishness so my desire to be with a pure virgin made me prefer pre-pubescent girls for awhile. I eventually grew out of it (acquired some tolerance for foids who had a sexual history, grew more understanding of them
) so that instead of preferring pre-pubescent girls, I pretty much treat all three types (pre-pubescent, mid-pubescent and post-pubescent) equally enough that I can't say I significantly prefer one over the others. That's not to say there's some perfect eternal ⅓ ⅓ ⅓ balance or anything, it obviously fluctuates around, but never to the point that one stands out to me as 'best' for more than 6 months, which is what the DSM criteria requires.
You need to update your vocabulary pro, pedophilia is a paraphilia (a mental fixation on a particular criteria) not a "practice".
If you are referring to the actual act of fucking pre-pubescent girls, that's an entirely different thing done by pedophiles and non-pedophiles alike.
Fucking a foid doesn't mean you have a sexual preference for that foid's criteria. We see this with the thirst that leads to fucking landwhales. Sometimes guys who fuck pre-pubescent girls have standard post-pubescent preferences, but are situational offenders who prey upon younger girls because they seem more vulnerable and easy to manipulate.
I would hope any guys who feel a 6 month long fixation on pre-pubescent foids do not feel pressured to leave by comments like this. I don't think social exclusion is the answer here. The last thing these guys need is to think all non-pedophiles are a bunch of assholes who can't be talked to. This just leads them to congregate amongst themselves in an echo chamber environment and possibly get even more obsessed.
For those of us who appreciate the attractiveness of mid-pubescent and post-pubescent foids (and especially guys like me who also find pre-pubescent ones cute too) we have a lot to offer pedophiles in opening their minds to the appreciation of a wider variety of beauty. This could potentially lessen their mental fixation and maybe make them less of a mentalcel who might ascend with a woman they could legally fuck.
Of course if they'd still be incel even with mentalcel issues out of the way then I guess I should question if we'd be doing them any favors, because at least "I don't want to fuck post-pubescent and mid-pubescent foids" gives them a "volcel" kind of coping mechanism to avoid the pain of being rejected even by high-mileage carousel roasties which openminded incels have to face the pain of.
So OP basically what you're saying is if you live in Mexico and want to fuck 12 year old girls you can stay, but if you live in Bahrain or Portugal and want to fuck 20 year old girls you need to GTFO?
Simply wishing to fuck someone isn't disobeying those laws, and why the fuck do you care about subjective laws? What if they outlaw having an incel forum or an anime avatar? Have you never broken a piracy law?
I don't think 'not normal' really matters here, lots of not-normal stuff is fine. You're just talking about what crops up in the majority of populations, most likely, which isn't always good tendencies. It is "normal" for foids to behave in many degenerate ways now, for example.
As for mentally ill: keep in mind there is an additional DSM parameter involved beyond "attraction" here. It's preferential attraction for 6+ months that either leads to depression or illegal acts.
You can also get mentally ill from wanting to fuck post-pubescent foids and not being able to. There shouldn't really be a stigma around mental illness defined that way. I'd say at least 50% of this forum is suffering depression related to an inability to have intimacy with foids they're attracted to.
Normal doesn't really matter though, because the government could give us gay-inducing hormones and suddenly we're all fags and that's the new norm, but that doesn't make it right.
Do you think if people starting fucking babies as soon as they're born they're also "already having sex anyways" and "not innocent" and thus continuing to do so would be okay?
I don't think so, but perhaps "having sex" implies a level of voluntary participation. But what are our standards for assessing how voluntary such participation is?
Even with baseline indicators of consent (positive body language or verbal affirmation) there is the idea of expecting someone to understand the context and details of what it is they're agreeing to. IE you could give verbal affirmation and positive body language at a gloryhole thinking a foid is giving you a BJ but if it terms out to be a fag giving the BJ on the other side of the wall and you got tricked, then that's sexual assault because your agreement was not given with adequate understanding of all facts involved.
Point of clarification: you could prefer post-pubescent foids and still be attracted to mid-pubescent foids.
Would you still call that hebephilia? I feel like we need terms to distinguish between "mostly attracted to X" and "also attracted to X".
IE with a negress, I would fuck her (I think I'm attracted enough to get it up) but as a whole I would say I don't have a preference for negresses. So which is negressphilia?
If you want to get technical on the medical terms you have to keep in mind the three criteria you didn't mention: 6 months, suffering/illegality and overwhelming preference/fixation. You need that to fulfill DSM, not just "attracted to" because we can be "attracted to" a lot of stuff without it standing out as a paraphilia.
Thanks for arousing my attention, is there anything else in particular you wanted me to address besides the above?
COPE.
I'll be the first to say I overwhelmingly prefer 2D to 3D these days but don't imply there's some 0% for 3D going on bro.
We're inherently upset with all male competition when we're not feeling romantic fulfillment tbh so this is cope.
We can still be of like minds on many subjects without agreeing on all topics Saxon
If the concern is "don't fuck X or you'll probably go to jail" then this is a concern which also extends to foids above the Age of Consent as well.
This isn't merely about "just fuck women who consent bro" because even if you did get a foid to momentarily consent, she can easily cry rape if she ends up regretting giving that consent and pretends she never gave it.
I think a lot of us recognize that and it makes us terrified of pursuing consensual sex with women. We may try in spite of that (being BRAVE - confronting out fears) but I think many foids recognize that terror and dry up because of it. So that would be a common mentalcel aspect.
This doesn't exist in a void either. It's not like this kind of mentalcel shit happens to gigachads. Gigachad is so 100% confident foids will enjoy his cock that he can just rape women if he wants (but he usually won't because they'll throw themselves on his cock before he even thinks to make an effort) because he is the reverse of us: even if a foid doesn't give consent she will likely enjoy the experience so much she'll retroactively give her consent and pretend she'd given it all along.
This mentalcel stuff happens to guys already incel or incel-adjacent because with being unattractive comes that uncertainty about whether a foid will enjoy it (even if she does consent) and that she might regret it and retroactively withdraw the consent and LARP as a rape victim. This is the factor which fucks with your personality when your looks are so bad you're barely on the cusp of getting consent to begin with with adequate confidence.
Werty why the fuck are using vague terms like 'young'? Be PARTICULAR about what you mean please, sir.
I think I know why.
Innocent of what? Knowledge? Fear?
Puberty is when foids start producing eggs to grow our babies in them. They should be accustomed to months of dicking by a good husband they've pair-bonded with by then.
There isn't anything corrupt about that.
If you want to talk about corruption then this is a much bigger umbrella of concern, like with indoctrination by certain parents ideals or media/TV suggestions, and it has to do with a lot more memes than just sexual ones.
For example: how many children are 'innocent' of being groomed to hate ugly men to a greater degree than their inherent biology would lead them to ? I think you'll find MANY girls start embracing the hatred of ugly men even before they start to embrace cock. That is arguably a much greater loss of innocence than merely licking dick.
Yeah, the virgin men in their 30s should stick to the 30s roasties who have had dozens of partners, it's only fair.
Only if you actually give them resources. Otherwise: maybe they're attempting to prostitute themselves through trickery but they fail, and that's on them.
I don't really follow your logic. If I get wealthy and own a house and I stop becoming an incel because a foid wants to fuck me because I have a house, I'm supporting inceldom by ceasing to be an incel?
Buxmaxxing supports non-genuine relationships but I don't think it's necessarily to blame for inceldom. I think you're looking in the wrong place for cause here.
oh gosh, I don't want to be WEIRD
I mean... at the base level I agree with you, but at the same time I think via cognitive behavior exercises it is actually possibly to gradually change your attraction triggers by changing your thought processes.
It wouldn't work for anything but just in terms of tweaking hangups to be more open-minded for example.
Like for example say I was thinking in terms of "I just can't fuck a post-pubescent foid, all post-pubescent foids have taken at least a hundred cocks".
As common as it is for that to be true, it's actually NOT an absolute rule. Hypothetically a minority of post-pubescent foids have taken less than 100 cocks.
So if I alter my cognition and tell myself "hey wizard, that post-pubescent foid who probably took a hundred cocks? MAYBE she is an outlier who has only taken TEN cocks" and that's enough to reduce my disgust for her to make me want to fuck her: then suddenly the choice I have made to alter my perception of foids has actually altered whether or not (or to what degree) I find the roasty attractive. Make sense?
Untrue, puberty begins much lower than 14.
If you want to make distinctions between differeny tiers of mid-pubescent foids I guess we could split it in half like "early pubescent" and "late pubescent" but even then it would be hard to put concrete numbers on the upper/lower since there's some variety as to when it begins/ends in terms of years.
Some newfags should stfu and lurk more. It obviously doesn't unless you're adopting feminist memes where wanting to fuck anyone under 20 makes you a pedophile.
You might want to rephrase that Edmund, to "find ANY 17 year old". IE for each of us there are at least dozens if not hundreds of 17 year old girls we'd want to fuck.
Using a SINGULAR indefinite article ("a") however implies we could not find a particular seventeen year old unattractive, implying we are attractive to ALL seventeen year olds, which obviously isn't the case. The most obvious exception being 17 year old boys, but there are probably some unattractive 17 year old girls that some of us wouldn't be attracted to too.
why you want to fuck tweens, paedocel? our government issued GF must be 33+
Too young for what?
Do you consider yourself such an abusive lover that you would be guaranteed to harm a thirteen year old girl who wanted to date you, MLC?
Pedophilia is a paraphilia, not a crime.
We know better than most that attraction to a foid doesn't mean we're compelled to commit crimes to fuck her
This is cope. Admit it: you don't like seeing people in your age bracket dating foids either, because you're jealous of success either way.
Your opinion will change once you're older and still a virgin and expected to settle for the foids finished fucking college-chad.
Here's an amazing idea: instead of dating in an "age bracket" how about instead we have a "partner bracket".
IE let's try THIS out: it is more ethical to fuck someone with a similar partner count as your own.
If it turns out the only foids able to fulfill that are much younger, too fucking bad.
Dating foidsin general is risky for non-chads regardless of the age of the foid because a foid can regret fucking you and retroactively withdraw her consent and LARP as a rape victim.
The foid being underage just makes this LARPing easier so they're higher-risk, but there's already HUGE risk involved tbh.