[Blackpill] Response To: "You're Not Entitled To Sex"

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Not many people will put this bluntly, but there is a very strong case to be made for this claim:

The end of patriarchal societies has been (and will be) the cause of endless societal crises and disarray. You cannot remove order systems from the most important motivator for living beings (reproduction) without reverting back to the chaos of the natural world.
And they will be wondering in the midst of chaos "What went wrong?"
But they will never admit that if only a small percentage of males can hope for sex and loving relationships, it results in the loss of one of the backbones of every functional society: the motivation of beta males to contribute in exchange for love and sex.
 
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the motivation of beta males to contribute in exchange for love and sex.
Not just that, but more significantly, the motivation for them to not act on their natural urges (fight, loot, conquer, rape, kill, etc)

In a city you see a woman with a nice ass walk by, she doesn't even notice you, you look at it, you smile a bit (not visibly enough for anyone to notice), you take it all in, you THINK about how good it would be to fuck her, then you go about your day, head off to your office job to wagecuck and treat it like a regular passing, WHEN IT ISN'T NORMAL AT ALL

Should I approach - "Nah she's out of my league, don't want to be late for work"

In reality, in a natural world of natural laws, you'd just walk right up and take her

Take those two same individuals but instead she's in some remote jungle and you happen upon her, she's wearing the same outfit and its just the two of you, that scenario goes quite differently, and I'm telling you that's if its the AVERAGE MAN, it does not require a "muh psychopath" to think about rape

There is no point in being CIVIL if you aren't allowed to TRULY be a part of a CIVILIZATION

A lot of men are going to turn to crime in the coming future, men that would have likely went into academics or worked a crappy menial job, if they could atleast get married and have children

Women are always saying "men are dogs", its a really cliche thing you hear

Well guess what happens when you never feed a dog and leave it starving, it will cannibalize other dogs and even try to eat its owner
 
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Tldr for my attentionspan but the phrase:


Women aren't entitled to safety


Is a masterfull and very true counter to make them stfu.

I felt an actual relief reading these five words. As it hit the spot perfectly.

All Id change is the fact that you try to justify this position which makes you look weaker. Just keep it with this phrase and let their own uncontrollable mind tear their psyches apart.


Stop justifying in general. Normies dont deserve the effort of spoonfeeding them the obvious.
 
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1. Nobody is entitled to anything

Entitlements are a figment of imagination, they exist only in the minds of humans, and function only within societies where they are allowed to function, and are facilitated (usually through tax collection to fund said "entitlement programmes")

Pension, welfare, clean water, education, nobody is really entitled to any of it if were being objective and honest.

2. Incels don't feel entitled to sex, they simply WANT sex

I keep seeing the "entitlement" argument repeated everywhere and it is literally just a strawman argument, propping up a stance so absurd that you can't help but be right being against it, heck even I agree with being against it, because its egotistical and illogical for anyone to think they literally DESERVE anything, a normies reasoning for being against it would likely be more emotionally based though, more like - "women are people too, this is so misogynistic, its so hurtful, etc, etc".

Are there a few incels actually going around saying and believing that they "deserve" sex and are entitled to it, yes, but those men are idiots, they are outliers, any logical person knows full well nobody "deserves" anything. Most incels adhere to the "black pill philosophy", and a key "tenant" of that is basing ones life choices and interpretation of observations, on cold hard logic, so I doubt most incels (or even 5% of incels) actually believe they DESERVE sex

Incels simply just want, just like every other human on this planet that wants, to try and paint incels as this collective of egotistical males, that all think they are entitled to sex (women's bodies) is a falsehood that is often peddled by the media and society at large.

You see because its much easier to simply create a false narrative that can be argued against, than to argue against the actual thing. Paint incels as malicious and egotistical instead of frustrated and suicidal, and its much easier to demonize incels and garner support against them.

3. Disenfranchised Males = Self Destructive Males

There's this african proverb that I think perfectly describes whats taking place between modern society and average/below average males.

"If the young are not initiated in the tribe, they will burn down the village just to feel its warmth."

Modern society is extremely sexualized, there is no escape from sex as a man in these times, which is why it feels like you're being trolled whenever people say the all too cliche phrase "sex isn't the most important thing in life", nice strawman argument, now simply wanting sex because its being shoved down your throat at every waking moment, is equal to thinking its the most important thing in the world. Statements like that are nothing but dismissive shaming and silencing tactics.

Sex is in the news papers, magazines, tv, movies, video games, its in advertisements, bill boards, the internet, etc. People need to try and understand how "dystopian" of a reality this would all seem to a man who is unable to acquire sex due to unrealistic and unfair female standards that only exist due to various societal changes that resulted from feminism. Its like a sick joke were forced to live through. Everyone is telling us to just "get over it" while ironically enjoying sex lives themselves and boasting/talking about it at every waking moment.

Imagine if you woke up and basically everyone on the planet had an expensive sports car, all you see are people around you driving it, everyone with a sports car gets treated differently than those who don't, they have higher social status, etc. For some reason you can't get one no matter how much you adhere to the advice suggested by sports car owners. Everytime you complain about the biased system that keeps you from getting one, someone tells you - "there are more important things in life than sports cars", they then later proceed to talk with their friends about all the awesome sports cars they drove, post about the current sports car they have leased, and make instagram and other media posts about how great their sports car driving life is and how great they are at driving sports cars.

Quite obviously these people are being disingenuous, they know your complaints are legitimate, they don't actually follow their own words and they glorify sports cars and ownership of it ad nauseum, really they just want people without sports cars to STFU and deal with it, live without having a sports car and stop ruining the experience for the rest of them. Its really fucked up but that is societys mindset towards men who can't get sex, they know that argument is BS, they know they are lying and sex is of the utmost importance to every human (its not the most important thing, but its really really up there on the list, some might argue 2nd or 3rd place). They only repeat this BS because its really just about shaming and silencing men for daring to make society even feel a tad bit guilty or responsible for our current state of being disenfranchised. They really just expect incels to "STFU and take one for the team".

Sex is clearly a vital part of every humans existence, a man doesn't even "become a man" in a sense within society until he has sex, in essence a lot of men have not undergone their "right of passage" to become part of the "tribe" that is modern human civilization.

This is why all of these mass shootings are taking place, its started to branch off into other things like the "Thot Audit", more and more things like this are going to keep happening until society finally acknowledges this problem and begins to make changes.

So as it stands we now have a significant and growing pool of sexually starved men, who due to this are angry, violent, irritable and suicidal, seriously how does society expect this to play out, the most dangerous animal is the one backed into a corner with nothing to lose, when someone doesn't care if they die, worse yet they want to die just so their sad existence can end, there is no reasoning with that person, they are on a "war path", you either kill them, give that person what they want, or you get out of their way as they proceed to claim what they want.

Society expects us not to burn the village down when it won't initiate us into the tribe, that's whats truly outrageous, not the violence of disenfranchised men, but the fact that society actually expects us to just remain docile and accept this reality that has been forced upon us.

4. Women aren't entitled to safety

People don't seem to understand the danger of looking the collective male populace in they eyes, and telling them they aren't entitled to something that not too long ago they would just taking by force as a norm.

Men reformed themselves and created societies with laws and codes of conduct because it benefited the collective, especially the collective male populace, this was the function of "patriarchal societies". To manage a safe and fair distribution of resources, and that includes sexual and reproductive resources.

Virginity was a prerequisite for a woman to be "marriage material" because men wanted to be sure that when they married a woman she would be less likely to cheat, as she'd be more likely to be satisfied sexually with her partner due to lack of "sexual experience". It also ensured that your investment would be worth it as you aren't footing the bill for "used goods", that may sound cruel but men have to basically invest a lot into a woman's very being, even more so today, get divorced once and half of your wealth goes to another person, and these days the women aren't even virgins, marriage is truly a raw deal in this modern era.

Marriage as an institution existed for various reasons, it was used to create familial ties, for political reasons, etc, but most importantly to give a sense of assurance to men that the children their wives gave birth do were indeed theirs (hence virginity being the key defining trait of "marriage material"), and they could pass down their name and wealth to their children.

For the same reason Female Promiscuity was shamed and led to social ostracization. Womens hypergamy had to be kept in check otherwise the relationship dynamics between men and women would fall apart and so would the "family unit" which is basically the "building block" of society.

Crimes like Rape were especially frowned upon because it made a woman unfit for marriage and ruined her entire life, it also went against the civility agreement between men who as a collective all wanted their respective women in their lives to be safe and remain "their women" and not be "tarnished" by another man.

I hope people get the point here, the purpose of these laws and societal norms were to ensure a code of conduct amongst men, so that we would as a collective agree to allow each other to pursue and court women in a safe and organized manner, unimpeded by other men in an "unfair" manner, we all had a fair chance. There was a "social contract" at play here.

In these modern times the social contract is no longer functioning, expecting men not to regress and go back to the days of rape and violence when the contract is no longer being enforced and/or adhered to, is what is truly outrageous, and not the acts themselves. Men aren't entitled to sex?, true I agree, but women aren't entitled to safety either, they never were entitled to it and they never will be, it was a "provision" offered by men to women for co-operating with men to facilitate the social contract. The safety resided within the rule set of the social contract, which is no longer at play here, so a significant and increasing number of males are seeing no reason to function as "civil" men, there's no logical reason too, why be civil when you essentially are not even part of civilization, civility its no longer to our benefit. Women's actions have thrown the entire system out of order, and the violent responses of men today are retaliatory. Society is basically trying to make average/below average males into somewhat of a "slave class" that offers their labor and utility, contributes to society, all while being barred from enjoying a basic pleasure that all the female citizens get to enjoy despite contributing less and having to risk their lives less.

Ask yourself who are really the crazy ones, the men who go out committing acts of violence or "opt out" of society, or the society that expected these men not to do this, despite significantly ruining the quality of life for the collective male populace, and having the gall to ask them to keep up their end of the social contract and be "good little boys and contribute to society as upstanding citizens" :feelskek:. Are you fucking serious, no wonder men are opting out of society, no wonder men are going out on murder rampages.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2017/03/09/american-men-are-giving-up-on-jobs/

There's no real motivation to bother trying, to be a "hard worker", to be "civilized", when your reward at the end of the day is to get married to used goods who is likely only settling for you because she's aged past her prime and has a ton of baggage, to top it off with no fault divorce laws she can easily just leave with half of your wealth, and modern society actually celebrates and endorses female promiscuity and cheating on men, so that great investment you made isn't even guaranteed to be solely yours to enjoy JFL. Men have literally no motivation to be "good people", anyone who thinks people should be "good" for the sake of "being good" is an illogical idiot that doesn't get how reality actually works.

In the bible there's heaven and hell, in human laws there are cash rewards for helping law enforcement with certain tasks, and there are fines and jail time for committing crimes or breaking minor laws.

GOOD AND EVIL CAN ONLY BE TRULY (OBJECTIVELY) DEFINED BY THE FACT THAT THERE ARE REWARDS AND PUNISHMENTS ASSOCIATED RESPECTIVELY, that is how we truly distinguish a good act from a bad one, if we rely on subjective opinion based criteria then anyone and everyone is both right and wrong, good and bad, based on their own personal reasonings and whims. If the bible said that no matter what you do everyone goes to heaven, but "please still don't sin" nobody would give a fuck about the rules, most every Christian would be sinning without any restraint or repentance, rules mean nothing without a reward and punishment system in place.

To address another cliche statement - "where have all the good men gone", I ask "by what objective criteria are you ascribing the label "good" ". Reinstate a sufficient "rewards system" for males and you'll see all those men come running back.
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Tldr for my attentionspan but the phrase:


Women aren't entitled to safety


Is a masterfull and very true counter to make them stfu.

I felt an actual relief reading these five words. As it hit the spot perfectly.

All Id change is the fact that you try to justify this position which makes you look weaker. Just keep it with this phrase and let their own uncontrollable mind tear their psyches apart.


Stop justifying in general. Normies dont deserve the effort of spoonfeeding them the obvious.
I don't justify, I explain why, I have to show that what I'm saying is rooted in logic, my intention is not to convince them that its "just" or "right", but that its "expected"
 
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All non chads are entitled to sex with their looksmatches, or they shouldn't pay taxes. If the system treats them unfairly then they shouldn't support it.
Women aren't entitled to safety


Is a masterfull and very true counter to make them stfu.

I felt an actual relief reading these five words. As it hit the spot perfectly.

All Id change is the fact that you try to justify this position which makes you look weaker. Just keep it with this phrase and let their own uncontrollable mind tear their psyches apart.


Stop justifying in general. Normies dont deserve the effort of spoonfeeding them the obvious.
 
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VantaBlackPill right there.

Extremely high IQ thread.
 
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Interesting how the same people who came up with the sexual revolution now say sex isn't important.

As a libertarian I'll only say this, yes technically nobody is entitled to sex, but everyone is entitled to pursue it within the bounds of the non-aggression principle.
 
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everyone is entitled to pursue it within the bounds of the non-aggression principle.
All that does is result in the current system, a system that favors the privileged and where many are expected to "do without" and not get any kind of compensation for that sacrifice
 
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All that does is result in the current system, a system that favors the privileged and where many are expected to "do without" and not get any kind of compensation for that sacrifice
In the US you can't solicit a prostitute in 49 out of 50 states, so you can't even legally pay to have the problem fixed or sort of fixed. (At best you may get away with it if it's not enforced in some areas.)

Social justice warriors are also pushing for the criminalization of certain acts and even speech. If they had their way certain acts of just awkward flirting would be considered harassment, so would fucking a woman that isn't sober enough to drive. You don't need to be very drunk to be excluded from driving, keep that in mind. They also want explicit consent for everything which is a ridiculous standard that almost nobody upholds. By that standard many people would count as both rapist and rape victim within the same sex act involving the same partner.

The tax system also works in such a way to lower men's sexual market value, in part tied to income and wealth. Even if you can cope with prostitution, you will probably get less of it. This is a global problem. I'd rather keep most of what I earn so I can spend more time with hookers. I have no need for things like social security, I'm a better investor than that, and taking care of someone else's kids is not my problem.
 
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Interesting how the same people who came up with the sexual revolution now say sex isn't important.

As a libertarian I'll only say this, yes technically nobody is entitled to sex, but everyone is entitled to pursue it within the bounds of the non-aggression principle.
Foid's smv will lower if all non chads stopped paying taxes and became blackpilled, because there won't be any more government hand outs or pussy pandering simps who make getting with their looksmatches obsolete to rosties. The AoC also has to be reduced so foids will be married young instead of wasting their youths riding the cock carousel. Then to put the final nail in the coffin of foid hypergamy will be sexbots and artificial wombs.
 
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End the social welfare programs. I don't want whores to get free money that they are not entitled to.