[Discussion] Society is Not Our Enemy, It's Human Nature Which Dealt Us a Bad Hand

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Often times I see incels complain about society, calling it "soysciety". Even more so I see posts from inceltear freaks stating that "incels blame their problems on society". This statement has some truth in it, many incels do complain about modern society, some even condemn civilization in general. As an incel, this is an major fallacy, and here's why.

No matter what system you lived under, you'll be treated like garbage for being ugly. This has nothing to do with our social media driven society, this has to do with human nature. Whether it be capitalism, socialism, monarchy, feudalism, fascism, you will be ignored, left out, and be considered a loser because you are ugly. Many incels cope by arguing that if only they lived under a more monogamous era they would live happily with a wife. Hate to break it to you but even in these societies, the bottom tier men were left out. There's countless stories of "incels" from the 1950s and before in literature, popular culture, and just general history. If you're a kissless virgin in your 20s, you're one of the BOTTOM tier men. The people who would benefit from monogamy and get their women back from Chad are the normies from school who did attend parties, have been on dates, and have "hooked up" a bit in their youth. YOU, a KHHV INCEL who rotted his way through his youth would have the same fate if you lived 500 or even 5000 years ago. In fact there's even Ancient Egyptian scripts from an ugly Egyptian scribe about how terrible life is if you're ugly, it was posted here but I can't find it now. My point is SOCIETY isn't the problem, it's basic HUMAN NATURE which makes you a freak.

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Society actually relatively benefits incels more than anyone else. Instead of having to cope in isolation in the middle of the jungle or some middle age shithole village, we can cope in modern comfy advanced houses, play advanced videogames, live vicariously through the internet where we don't have to show our faces. Chads benefit from society certainly, but they benefit RELATIVELY less because they would still have great lives 10000 years ago as a Barbarian king or 1000 years ago as the respected village patriarchs. Just look around at what society has to offer you. Thanks to Amazon and capitalism, I can have a package delivered to me within a day. Thanks to Uber eats I can have whatever food I want delivered to me whenever. Thanks to Uber I can travel anywhere whenever I want. Thanks to the CNN app I can stay informed wherever I go (Edit: yes I put this in to troll you, but you get the point, we live in the information age). Thanks to Netflix I can binge watch series in my bed. Thanks to Marvel and Disney I can watch starwars, marvel movies (yes i know soyyyyy :soy::soy::soy:), top tier COPE entertainment to distract myself from my shitty life. Thanks to incels.co I can talk with like-minded individuals and discuss blackpill theory. Thanks to Apple I can be updated with the newest Iphones, Macs, etc and sync them all together and work from home so I never have to talk to normies. Thanks to Zoom I can study online and do online classes without being bullied IRL for being ugly.

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And if you live pretty much anywhere other than the U.S, you can COPE with escort services. Thanks to modern society and capitalism, you can be with any type of women you want as long as you have the money for it. Prostitution is the "oldest profession" but still a relatively new idea in human history. Never before did the consumer have so much choice and quality before the advant of the internet.

TLDR - Society Does Not Suck, Human Nature Sucks. Society, Being Full of Humans, Is Surprisingly Great; Especially When Compared To Its Alternative
 
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I agree tbh. There isn’t really a fix for us that isn’t completely contrary to human nature. We just got dealt a bad hand and Chad’s got a sleeve full of aces.
 
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I agree tbh. There isn’t really a fix for us that isn’t completely contrary to human nature. We just got dealt a bad hand and Chad’s got a sleeve full of aces.
It's cope blaming society, and its a good cope because it procides an array of hope. IF ONLY THE COMMUNISTS/SOCIALISTS/CONSERVATIVES/FASCISTS were in power all our problems would be solved.

CCCCCCOOOOOOPPPPPEEEEE

Your life will suck until you can rewire your genes, so at least choose the version of society that gives you the most copes.
 
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It's cope blaming society, and its a good cope because it procides an array of hope. IF ONLY THE COMMUNISTS/SOCIALISTS/CONSERVATIVES/FASCISTS were in power all our problems would be solved.

CCCCCCOOOOOOPPPPPEEEEE

Your life will suck until you can rewire your genes, so at least choose the version of society that gives you the most copes.
I’ve always coped by hoping I could transplant my brain inside a cool looking robot without a sex drive. Just a cool design and maybe a chainsaw and flamethrower arm. Wouldn’t even really use em’, just for show. Maybe sign up for the military and become some renowned war hero. Might even get statues of me or something. Childish and far fetched but I’ve entertained it for a while
 
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I’ve always coped by hoping I could transplant my brain inside a cool looking robot without a sex drive. Just a cool design and maybe a chainsaw and flamethrower arm. Wouldn’t even really use em’, just for show. Maybe sign up for the military and become some renowned war hero. Might even get statues of me or something. Childish and far fetched but I’ve entertained it for a while
COPE, if transhuman becomes available it will only be for the billionaire class.
 
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COPE, if transhuman becomes available it will only be for the billionaire class.
I’m part of that class basically no LARP I could actually do it if it becomes real ngl
 
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I’m part of that class basically no LARP I could actually do it if it becomes real ngl
Coincidential I just made a post showing how you are NOT part of that class.

Since i doubt you're a billionaire, you're one of the globalist underclass.
 
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Often times I see incels complain about society, calling it "soysciety". Even more so I see posts from inceltear freaks stating that "incels blame their problems on society". This statement has some truth in it, many incels do complain about modern society, some even condemn civilization in general. As an incel, this is an major fallacy, and here's why.

No matter what system you lived under, you'll be treated like garbage for being ugly. This has nothing to do with our social media driven society, this has to do with human nature. Whether it be capitalism, socialism, monarchy, feudalism, fascism, you will be ignored, left out, and be considered a loser because you are ugly. Many incels cope by arguing that if only they lived under a more monogamous era they would live happily with a wife. Hate to break it to you but even in these societies, the bottom tier men were left out. There's countless stories of "incels" from the 1950s and before in literature, popular culture, and just general history. If you're a kissless virgin in your 20s, you're one of the BOTTOM tier men. The people who would benefit from monogamy and get their women back from Chad are the normies from school who did attend parties, have been on dates, and have "hooked up" a bit in their youth. YOU, a KHHV INCEL who rotted his way through his youth would have the same fate if you lived 500 or even 5000 years ago. In fact there's even Ancient Egyptian scripts from an ugly Egyptian scribe about how terrible life is if you're ugly, it was posted here but I can't find it now. My point is SOCIETY isn't the problem, it's basic HUMAN NATURE which makes you a freak.

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Society actually relatively benefits incels more than anyone else. Instead of having to cope in isolation in the middle of the jungle or some middle age shithole village, we can cope in modern comfy advanced houses, play advanced videogames, live vicariously through the internet where we don't have to show our faces. Chads benefit from society certainly, but they benefit RELATIVELY less because they would still have great lives 10000 years ago as a Barbarian king or 1000 years ago as the respected village patriarchs. Just look around at what society has to offer you. Thanks to Amazon and capitalism, I can have a package delivered to me within a day. Thanks to Uber eats I can have whatever food I want delivered to me whenever. Thanks to Uber I can travel anywhere whenever I want. Thanks to the CNN app I can stay informed wherever I go (Edit: yes I put this in to troll you, but you get the point, we live in the information age). Thanks to Netflix I can binge watch series in my bed. Thanks to Marvel and Disney I can watch starwars, marvel movies (yes i know soyyyyy :soy::soy::soy:), top tier COPE entertainment to distract myself from my shitty life. Thanks to incels.co I can talk with like-minded individuals and discuss blackpill theory. Thanks to Apple I can be updated with the newest Iphones, Macs, etc and sync them all together and work from home so I never have to talk to normies. Thanks to Zoom I can study online and do online classes without being bullied IRL for being ugly.

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And if you live pretty much anywhere other than the U.S, you can COPE with escort services. Thanks to modern society and capitalism, you can be with any type of women you want as long as you have the money for it. Prostitution is the "oldest profession" a relatively new idea in human history. Never before did the consumer have so much choice and quality before the advant of the internet.

TLDR - Society Does Not Suck, Human Nature Sucks. Society, Being Full of Humans, Is Surprisingly Great; Especially When Compared To Its Alternative
Are you a communist?
 
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Are you a communist?
I have left-wing tendencies, I'd even say I'm socialist because I support more government ownership of major industries, but I still support the free market system that allows us to choose what we buy and how much of it. I also support UBI and massive government expenditure and wealth redistribution.

But I wouldn't call myself a Marxist.
 
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Coincidential I just made a post showing how you are NOT part of that class.

Since i doubt you're a billionaire, you're one of the globalist underclass.
Not billionaire myself but my uncle actually is since he was the CEO of Oculus Rift before stepping down a few years ago since he was set for life
 
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Our species needs fucking genetic engineering asap
 
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Can you spot the trend? There's a reason why inceldom has gained traction recently.

You're right the bottom of the bottom struggled in any era. Normies still aren't incels even today so it's not them that are largely affected but sub4 men. So now there is a difference between an incel (sub4) and a truecel (sub2.5).

Clearly you're ignoring some aspects and changes that society has brought about recently which has made things worse though.

We're nowhere near the 17 women reproduce for every men reproduction rate out in nature, however. Society actually in some regards makes things easier although the thing is if you failed in a more barbaric and uncivilized era you would just die sometimes even at birth if you were genetically weak enough, but all in all you didn't have to live a long life which is far more preferable.

Really you should broaden the compass to include genetically advantaged men. Today ugly ogres might not have the same success nowadays then they would have prior. Lookism plays a more prominent role today, but overall genetic fitness (of which looks is a good signal for, but not perfect) played an even more prominent role in prior eras.
 
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Not billionaire myself but my uncle actually is since he was the CEO of Oculus Rift before stepping down a few years ago since he was set for life
Then I maybe wrong. Are you escortmaxxing?
 
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Can you spot the trend? There's a reason why inceldom has gained traction recently.

You're right the bottom of the bottom struggled in any era. Normies still aren't incels even today so it's not them that are largely affected but sub4 men. So now there is a difference between an incel (sub4) and a truecel (sub2.5).

Clearly you're ignoring some aspects and changes that society has brought about recently which has made things worse though.

We're nowhere near the 17 women reproduce for every men reproduction rate out in nature, however. Society actually in some regards makes things easier although the downside is if you failed in a more barbaric and uncivilized era you would just die sometimes even at birth you were genetically weak enough.

Really you should broaden the compass to include genetically advantaged men. Today ugly ogres might not have the same success nowadays then they would have prior. Lookism plays a more prominent role today, but overall genetic fitness (of which looks is a good signal for, but not perfect) played an even more prominent role in prior eras.
I agree more men are incel now than before, but I'm willing to bet those men are failed normies and are not on this forum. To end up a regular on this forum you are probably in the irredeemable category.
 
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Often times I see incels complain about society, calling it "soysciety". Even more so I see posts from inceltear freaks stating that "incels blame their problems on society". This statement has some truth in it, many incels do complain about modern society, some even condemn civilization in general. As an incel, this is an major fallacy, and here's why.

No matter what system you lived under, you'll be treated like garbage for being ugly. This has nothing to do with our social media driven society, this has to do with human nature. Whether it be capitalism, socialism, monarchy, feudalism, fascism, you will be ignored, left out, and be considered a loser because you are ugly. Many incels cope by arguing that if only they lived under a more monogamous era they would live happily with a wife. Hate to break it to you but even in these societies, the bottom tier men were left out. There's countless stories of "incels" from the 1950s and before in literature, popular culture, and just general history. If you're a kissless virgin in your 20s, you're one of the BOTTOM tier men. The people who would benefit from monogamy and get their women back from Chad are the normies from school who did attend parties, have been on dates, and have "hooked up" a bit in their youth. YOU, a KHHV INCEL who rotted his way through his youth would have the same fate if you lived 500 or even 5000 years ago. In fact there's even Ancient Egyptian scripts from an ugly Egyptian scribe about how terrible life is if you're ugly, it was posted here but I can't find it now. My point is SOCIETY isn't the problem, it's basic HUMAN NATURE which makes you a freak.

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Society actually relatively benefits incels more than anyone else. Instead of having to cope in isolation in the middle of the jungle or some middle age shithole village, we can cope in modern comfy advanced houses, play advanced videogames, live vicariously through the internet where we don't have to show our faces. Chads benefit from society certainly, but they benefit RELATIVELY less because they would still have great lives 10000 years ago as a Barbarian king or 1000 years ago as the respected village patriarchs. Just look around at what society has to offer you. Thanks to Amazon and capitalism, I can have a package delivered to me within a day. Thanks to Uber eats I can have whatever food I want delivered to me whenever. Thanks to Uber I can travel anywhere whenever I want. Thanks to the CNN app I can stay informed wherever I go (Edit: yes I put this in to troll you, but you get the point, we live in the information age). Thanks to Netflix I can binge watch series in my bed. Thanks to Marvel and Disney I can watch starwars, marvel movies (yes i know soyyyyy :soy::soy::soy:), top tier COPE entertainment to distract myself from my shitty life. Thanks to incels.co I can talk with like-minded individuals and discuss blackpill theory. Thanks to Apple I can be updated with the newest Iphones, Macs, etc and sync them all together and work from home so I never have to talk to normies. Thanks to Zoom I can study online and do online classes without being bullied IRL for being ugly.

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And if you live pretty much anywhere other than the U.S, you can COPE with escort services. Thanks to modern society and capitalism, you can be with any type of women you want as long as you have the money for it. Prostitution is the "oldest profession" a relatively new idea in human history. Never before did the consumer have so much choice and quality before the advant of the internet.

TLDR - Society Does Not Suck, Human Nature Sucks. Society, Being Full of Humans, Is Surprisingly Great; Especially When Compared To Its Alternative
Might be the first high IQ post you've made. Good stuff
Tell mossad to get me a gf.
Me too
I have left-wing tendencies, I'd even say I'm socialist because I support more government ownership of major industries, but I still support the free market system that allows us to choose what we buy and how much of it. I also support UBI and massive government expenditure and wealth redistribution.

But I wouldn't call myself a Marxist.
That's Communism-lite, so basically yes
 
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I don't work for Mossad. I don't understand the point of your post.
Might be the first high IQ post you've made. Good stuff

Me too

That's Communism-lite, so basically yes
It sort of is communism but part of communism is abolishing the idea of currency so you really have no choice with how you use your resources. I love the market so I can choose what copes I get.
 
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OP, the society can change to make all men equal
 
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I agree more men are incel now than before, but I'm willing to bet those men are failed normies and are not on this forum. To end up a regular on this forum you are probably in the irredeemable category.
Well most people don't rate themselves here as sub3 according to the site survey. So maybe people are coping and bluepilled and are overrating themselves.

Me personally, I think the reason why forums and spaces like this gained prominence is exactly because of the increase in inceldom. People largely didn't need a space like this to vent and cope by and large because there simply wasn't as many people affected prior.

So I think probably a lot of people there would fall under that classification if you view them as failed normies (me personally I only view average or near average men as failed normies — even then it can be a loaded term as someone could've been bullied throughout school and become socially stunted as a result).

You also have to consider that many people in the irredeemable category probably have facial deformities and recessions which could potentially be rectified via surgery (another thing brought about by society). But it's not just good enough to escape that subset anymore so likely they would still remain incel unless they outperform the typical surgery result (which is entirely possible given the plastic surgery industry is really more suited for those with recessions and deformities).
 
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OP, the society can change to make all men equal
I am all for societal improvement but to argue AGAINST society or to blame society for being the source of your ills is misguided. EQUALITY EQUALITY EQUALITY is what I am about.

Well most people don't rate themselves here as sub3 according to the site survey. So maybe people are coping and bluepilled and are overrating themselves.

Me personally, I think the reason why forums and spaces like this gained prominence is exactly because of the increase in inceldom. People largely didn't need a space like this to vent and cope by and large because there simply wasn't as many people affected prior.

So I think probably a lot of people there would fall under that classification if you view them as failed normies (me personally I only view average or near average men as failed normies — even then it can be a loaded term as someone could've been bullied throughout school and become socially stunted as a result).

You also have to consider that many people in the irredeemable category probably have facial deformities and recessions which could potentially be rectified via surgery (another thing brought about by society). But it's not just good enough to escape that subset anymore so likely they would still remain incel unless they outperform the typical surgery result (which is entirely possible given the plastic surgery industry is really more suited for those with recessions and deformities).
I see your side and I see it well. I guess I just can't relate since I am deformed. I can not see myself ascending under any circumstance.
 
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I am all for societal improvement but to argue AGAINST society or to blame society for being the source of your ills is misguided. EQUALITY EQUALITY EQUALITY is what I am about.



I see your side and I see it well. I guess I just can't relate since I am deformed. I can not see myself ascending under any circumstance.
Well, I don't really see myself ascending or envision it either but I think I'm more of a 3.
 
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Truecels are always incels in all societies that are not dangerous and agrarian. Declining empires makes more men incels. Tinder and scientifically developed abortion has made it worse. Marxism-Rodgerism is the answer. Use Tor.
 
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I also support UBI and massive government expenditure and wealth redistribution.
Do you realize how bad inceldom will get if UBI becomes standard and we shift to full scale socialism? It will be feminism times 100. If foids receive government checks and child support they will have no reason to ever have sex with sub 9 males, no reason for a husband or nuclear family. Literally sub 9 law will become the default. Foids will never have to accept anything except the occasional pump and dump by Chad.
 
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Do you realize how bad inceldom will get if UBI becomes standard and we shift to full scale socialism? It will be feminism times 100. If foids receive government checks and child support they will have no reason to ever have sex with sub 9 males, no reason for a husband or nuclear family. Literally sub 9 law will become the default. Foids will never have to accept anything except the occasional pump and dump by Chad.
Did you not read my OP

YOU WERE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A NUCLEAR FAMILY ANYWAY, THAT WAS FOR 4/10+ NORMOIDS.

Even if we established a real patriarchy, we incels would be cucked at the bottom.
 
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I have left-wing tendencies, I'd even say I'm socialist because I support more government ownership of major industries, but I still support the free market system that allows us to choose what we buy and how much of it. I also support UBI and massive government expenditure and wealth redistribution.

But I wouldn't call myself a Marxist.
imo ideal system would have basic/essential needs that benefit of economy of scale to be ran by government. and then innovation heavy industries like fashion, miscellaneous tech products to be pricstizedm
 
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I have left-wing tendencies, I'd even say I'm socialist because I support more government ownership of major industries, but I still support the free market system that allows us to choose what we buy and how much of it. I also support UBI and massive government expenditure and wealth redistribution.

But I wouldn't call myself a Marxist.
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Society needs to go. All of it. Every man needs to work and be himself for himself. Every man a narcissist king and if you cannot be that then you will be taken by the man who is one.

egoism is based and we should all do as we please. Don’t like the baker? Need his bread? stab him and take the bread.
 
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MENSA you should bisect a couple of those paragraphs, help my eyes bro.
 
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use your unimaginably giga high IQ to shorten your paragraphs and exclude irrelevant content

didn't read
 
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Tldr


But yes believing in any political orientation is a major cope
 
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Weren't you leaving?
there's even Ancient Egyptian scripts from an ugly Egyptian scribe about how terrible life is if you're ugly, it was posted here but I can't find it now.
Source: just trust me bro.
 
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Not billionaire myself but my uncle actually is since he was the CEO of Oculus Rift before stepping down a few years ago since he was set for life
Aren't u kinda doxxing yourself?
 
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Aren't u kinda doxxing yourself?
Not my biological uncle, more like a godfather. I wouldnt come up if you googled him or anything
 
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I agree, if youre a truecel (an absolute 1, or a barely functional autist, etc) your life would have been even more miserable in the past, because you would never have had a chance anyway no matter what society or culture or time in history, but you would have had less copes to deal with inceldom.
But its obvious that the major cultural changes taken place since the Renaissance and the Enlightment have led to an increasing number of men who are actually incels but they shouldn't be, and would not be in the past. Thats why a lot of incels crave for traditionalism or a radical marxist revolution (like you btw), and are not afraid to sacrifice the minor copes that are left for our oppressed social class
Ive written about this here.
 
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Not my biological uncle, more like a godfather. I wouldnt come up if you googled him or anything
Ah, i see, still i wouldn't put anything like that on internet, you can never be too sure :feelstrash:
 
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Omg.... a group of humans together form society what you say is... Blalalalalala long post muh iq
 
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Often times I see incels complain about society, calling it "soysciety". Even more so I see posts from inceltear freaks stating that "incels blame their problems on society". This statement has some truth in it, many incels do complain about modern society, some even condemn civilization in general. As an incel, this is an major fallacy, and here's why.

No matter what system you lived under, you'll be treated like garbage for being ugly. This has nothing to do with our social media driven society, this has to do with human nature. Whether it be capitalism, socialism, monarchy, feudalism, fascism, you will be ignored, left out, and be considered a loser because you are ugly. Many incels cope by arguing that if only they lived under a more monogamous era they would live happily with a wife. Hate to break it to you but even in these societies, the bottom tier men were left out. There's countless stories of "incels" from the 1950s and before in literature, popular culture, and just general history. If you're a kissless virgin in your 20s, you're one of the BOTTOM tier men. The people who would benefit from monogamy and get their women back from Chad are the normies from school who did attend parties, have been on dates, and have "hooked up" a bit in their youth. YOU, a KHHV INCEL who rotted his way through his youth would have the same fate if you lived 500 or even 5000 years ago. In fact there's even Ancient Egyptian scripts from an ugly Egyptian scribe about how terrible life is if you're ugly, it was posted here but I can't find it now. My point is SOCIETY isn't the problem, it's basic HUMAN NATURE which makes you a freak.

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Society actually relatively benefits incels more than anyone else. Instead of having to cope in isolation in the middle of the jungle or some middle age shithole village, we can cope in modern comfy advanced houses, play advanced videogames, live vicariously through the internet where we don't have to show our faces. Chads benefit from society certainly, but they benefit RELATIVELY less because they would still have great lives 10000 years ago as a Barbarian king or 1000 years ago as the respected village patriarchs. Just look around at what society has to offer you. Thanks to Amazon and capitalism, I can have a package delivered to me within a day. Thanks to Uber eats I can have whatever food I want delivered to me whenever. Thanks to Uber I can travel anywhere whenever I want. Thanks to the CNN app I can stay informed wherever I go (Edit: yes I put this in to troll you, but you get the point, we live in the information age). Thanks to Netflix I can binge watch series in my bed. Thanks to Marvel and Disney I can watch starwars, marvel movies (yes i know soyyyyy :soy::soy::soy:), top tier COPE entertainment to distract myself from my shitty life. Thanks to incels.co I can talk with like-minded individuals and discuss blackpill theory. Thanks to Apple I can be updated with the newest Iphones, Macs, etc and sync them all together and work from home so I never have to talk to normies. Thanks to Zoom I can study online and do online classes without being bullied IRL for being ugly.

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And if you live pretty much anywhere other than the U.S, you can COPE with escort services. Thanks to modern society and capitalism, you can be with any type of women you want as long as you have the money for it. Prostitution is the "oldest profession" but still a relatively new idea in human history. Never before did the consumer have so much choice and quality before the advant of the internet.

TLDR - Society Does Not Suck, Human Nature Sucks. Society, Being Full of Humans, Is Surprisingly Great; Especially When Compared To Its Alternative
Ye except that inceldom among young men is like 30% now from being 5% 15 years ago, while feminism makes revolutions every single year, and people report being more depressed and suicides have increased just lol.
Society actually relatively benefits incels more than anyone else. Instead of having to cope in isolation in the middle of the jungle or some middle age shithole village, we can cope in modern comfy advanced houses, play advanced videogames, live vicariously through the internet where we don't have to show our faces. Chads benefit from society certainly, but they benefit RELATIVELY less because they would still have great lives 10000 years ago as a Barbarian king or 1000 years ago as the respected village patriarchs. Just look around at what society has to offer you. Thanks to Amazon and capitalism, I can have a package delivered to me within a day. Thanks to Uber eats I can have whatever food I want delivered to me whenever. Thanks to Uber I can travel anywhere whenever I want. Thanks to the CNN app I can stay informed wherever I go (Edit: yes I put this in to troll you, but you get the point, we live in the information age). Thanks to Netflix I can binge watch series in my bed. Thanks to Marvel and Disney I can watch starwars, marvel movies (yes i know soyyyyy :soy::soy::soy:), top tier COPE entertainment to distract myself from my shitty life. Thanks to incels.co I can talk with like-minded individuals and discuss blackpill theory. Thanks to Apple I can be updated with the newest Iphones, Macs, etc and sync them all together and work from home so I never have to talk to normies. Thanks to Zoom I can study online and do online classes without being bullied IRL for being ugly.
All those things are useless. Human relationships are all that matters. Being ugly was always a disadvantage but it's a million times worse today than any time during the the last 2000 years.
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Ye except that inceldom among young men is like 30% now from being 5% 15 years ago, while feminism makes revolutions every single year, and people report being more depressed and suicides have increased just lol.

All those things are useless. Human relationships are all that matters. Being ugly was always a disadvantage but it's a million times worse today than any time during the the last 2000 years.
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Why is being ugly worse today than it was before?
Omg.... a group of humans together form society what you say is... Blalalalalala long post muh iq
No that's not what I said, you're clearly a moron.
TDLR: “I’m a homo soy chugger who needs to be told around by big daddy government”

Society needs to go. All of it. Every man needs to work and be himself for himself. Every man a narcissist king and if you cannot be that then you will be taken by the man who is one.

egoism is based and we should all do as we please. Don’t like the baker? Need his bread? stab him and take the bread.
ME WANT BIG DADDY CORPORATIONS RULING EVERYTHING

ME WANT TO BE WAGESLAVE TO DADDY PORKY
imo ideal system would have basic/essential needs that benefit of economy of scale to be ran by government. and then innovation heavy industries like fashion, miscellaneous tech products to be pricstizedm
Agreed. That's why I said "major industries" should be run by the government. I should have been more specific, by major industries I meant mass transportation, banking, energy, and food.
use your unimaginably giga high IQ to shorten your paragraphs and exclude irrelevant content

didn't read
Nothing is irrelevant

Don't care if a simpleton doesn't read.
Weren't you leaving?

Source: just trust me bro.
I was leaving but im so addicted I can't help but coming back.
something like Elysium ?
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Why is being ugly worse today than it was before?
Because all other qualities of men have been made obsolete by having a welfare state and technology, the only thing you have left to offer is looks pretty much. Women on the other hand, in regards to dating, never had anything else to offer, only men's natural advantage has been wiped out. Also all traditional institutions(like slut shaming, monogamous marriages) that shackled women's sexual selection are gone or have been greatly reduced.

Also secularization has made people less concerned about spiritual matters and solely focused on materialism or more "earthly" things, which further increases the importance of looks.
 
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A hominid is a member of the family Hominidae, the great apes: orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans.
A hominine is a member of the subfamily Homininae: gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans (excludes orangutans).

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Can you spot the trend? There's a reason why inceldom has gained traction recently.

You're right the bottom of the bottom struggled in any era. Normies still aren't incels even today so it's not them that are largely affected but sub4 men. So now there is a difference between an incel (sub4) and a truecel (sub2.5).

Clearly you're ignoring some aspects and changes that society has brought about recently which has made things worse though.

We're nowhere near the 17 women reproduce for every men reproduction rate out in nature, however. Society actually in some regards makes things easier although the thing is if you failed in a more barbaric and uncivilized era you would just die sometimes even at birth if you were genetically weak enough, but all in all you didn't have to live a long life which is far more preferable.

Really you should broaden the compass to include genetically advantaged men. Today ugly ogres might not have the same success nowadays then they would have prior. Lookism plays a more prominent role today, but overall genetic fitness (of which looks is a good signal for, but not perfect) played an even more prominent role in prior eras.
Because all other qualities of men have been made obsolete by having a welfare state and technology, the only thing you have left to offer is looks pretty much. Women on the other hand, in regards to dating, never had anything else to offer, only men's natural advantage has been wiped out. Also all traditional institutions(like slut shaming, monogamous marriages) that shackled women's sexual selection are gone or have been greatly reduced.

Also secularization has made people less concerned about spiritual matters and solely focused on materialism or more "earthly" things, which further increases the importance of looks.
That's really the first time i have to say that Mensa really went lowIQ, I think being sub4 is sometimes worse than being sub2 because the latter never had their hopes up by bluepilled bullshit that seemed resoanable since you aren't that objectively ugly. Not so many people are really sub2, since the looks population is bell curve shaped, most people tend to be around the mean looks wise, so most of inceldom is caused by societal and women standards being raised, since women tend to be sexually attracted only by the top 20 but mostly beckies might date below that for the sake of not being seen as ugly/dried pussy and the romantic factor helped a little, both used to work not too long ago.
 
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I completely agree with the general sentiment but I still think you're missing something

The society we have today isn't the continuation to the one there was 200 years ago (to say), during the history of humanity there have been countless times in which a government and its relative way of living have been overthrown to install another one, be it by a revolution or an invasion, be it for better or worse. So why can't it happen once more?

The point I'm making is that the general idea of society helps incels, but this society (and all the others that came before it) surely doesn't. And so we should either seek to change it (I know the beta uprising is a cope, but it's still a possibility) or to refuse it passively going against it by wasting resources

All the videogames and movies of this world are nothing compared to an active social and romantic life, and things like instagram, tinder etc, are actively ruining our lives by worsening every day the already rotten sexual market. Corporations aren't something good for us and will never be

Also it's not like the people that nowadays have power created this society or anything, they were born in it just like us and yet are using it for their personal gains, therefore we can and should do the same in the ways I already mentioned
 
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"Society is not our enemy"? Are you fucking kidding man? Just go on any mainstream youtube video about incels and scroll down to the comment section, and you'll see where society stands regarding inceldom. In traditional societies in the past there were still men who were unable to get a relationship, but since sex back then was all about reproduction instead of being a status symbol, at least they wouldn't get ostracized. If society is not your enemy then why don't you come out as incel to everyone you fucking know IRL?

Besides it's not true that unattractive men were just as much disadvantaged in traditional societies as they are now. There were times when arranged marriages were acceptable, if your family was able to conclude a good business deal or diplomatic deal with another family you could get a wife without any consideration for your looks. Cheating was very risky for women when there was no birth control. A long time ago there would also have been less currycels and ricecels because they wouldn't have had to compete with white men.
 
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This is a very interesting post, but I would categorically disagree with the idea of our current society being anywhere close to moral.

Being able to buy a video game means nothing in the end. It is just a cope, and you only have to cope if your life fucking sucks. And that hasn't really fundamentally changed. I could also argue that 10000 years ago your income wouldn't have been taxed by a tyrannical government to fund Stacies and Chads.
 
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