Cope Things aren’t as bad as they seem

[Ellsworth]

Let’s be real, things are bad and getting worse as far as hypergamy contributing to inceldom. However being on this site leads one to believe that things are worse than it really is because we are not allowed to discuss any successes here as it is considered bragging.

Obviously there are guys getting some female attention and dates here but we just can’t be made aware of it. I’m not talking about the fakecels but rather the legit incrls who are still sexless but have minor successes with foids.

 

[TaiLung]

Really just depends on HOW ugly you are. The people with minor successes are probably borderline incels. I honestly can't see me ever getting a gf and i keep thinking about, even if i would ever get one and make kids, my kids would be born as truecels in the FUTURE where it will be even WORSE. Atleast i have a 50% chance of either making a giga truecel or a foid that i couldn't love as a kid. Why even bother, just pay someone to do it. I have a kinda big dick which is the only genetics i didn't fail in so i cope that this may be enough to get one night stands from some foids.

 

[StaroRavager]

If you’re sub4 things are pretty bad. If you’re above that all you need to do is put in effort

 

[Numb]

incrls who are still sexless but have minor successes with foids.

What's the point in talking/interacting with a foid if there's no chance that she'll have sex with you? I wouldn't feel any type of "achievement" if some thot just smiled at me and said hi

 

[Hail The Bloatlord]

That's true, but alas for just some of us...

 

[TaiLung]

What's the point in talking/interacting with a foid if there's no chance that she'll have sex with you? I wouldn't feel any type of "achievement" if some thot just smiled at me and said hi

Depends. I only had something like this when i was like 12 and one girl was like that to me. It did feel better than anything i have ever done in my life tbh. Atleast if you manage to get a hug from her, thats lifefuel.

 

[tanfeo]

You say it's relative?
If you reach 50 years of age and the only "sex" you've ever had was with escorts, well...
Then yes, it is that bad.
Look back at your life knowing that it was utter and complete failure, I consider that bad.

 

[Numb]

Depends. I only had something like this when i was like 12 and one girl was like that to me. It did feel better than anything i have ever done in my life tbh. Atleast if you manage to get a hug from her, thats lifefuel.

Being happy at the crumbs in the dirt, and basing the best moment of your life on some foid hugging you is simply not my style. I consider foids to be parasites. That hold the planet at their whim. Their pussy decides where we go. And they have to do nothing but show it off to get what they want. Without effort.

 

[FinnCel]

I've said multiple times here I do approach and occasionally get a date but it doesn't lead to anywhere.
Not really sure if they are dates if they never found my attractive.
Maybe they only thought me as a friend.

If I had success, I'd leave this site anyways.
I'd probably read this occasionally to keep myself Blackpilled

 

[Deleted member 19079]

unless ur sub3

 

[kingturtle]

I suppose once you are like 40, you can get a roastie single mom with 3 tyrones kids. So yes, that prize is always their waiting for you.

 

[seija]

No, everything is bad as it seems. Don't try to cover it up.

 

[HighTGymcel]

If you’re sub4 things are pretty bad. If you’re above that all you need to do is put in effort

 

[RandomGuy]

I suppose once you are like 40, you can get a roastie single mom with 3 tyrones kids. So yes, that prize is always their waiting for you.

 

[Ugly_equals_Death]

I suppose once you are like 40, you can get a roastie single mom with 3 tyrones kids. So yes, that prize is always their waiting for you.

Heidi klum and tom kaulitz

 

[Deleted member 1252]

Everything is awful
The world is a fucking terrible place
The end

 

[Salustio]

If you’re sub4 things are pretty bad. If you’re above that all you need to do is put in effort

I’d say “7/10” is the line to draw

 

[StaroRavager]

I’d say “7/10” is the line to draw

So you’re saying a 6/10 male with an average height of 5’10-5’11 is an incel . I honestly shouldn’t be surprised at this point

 

[Salustio]

So you’re saying a 6/10 male with an average height of 5’10-5’11 is an incel . I honestly shouldn’t be surprised at this point

He’s between incel and volcel.

6/10 could be incel tier or slayer tier, this stuff depends on external factors.

7/10 is the correct line. Sub8 law is correct too if you refuse the betabux option.

 

[StaroRavager]

Sub8 law is correct

Can you please explain how 6/10 standing at 5’10-11 would be an incel. Aside from being an extreme locationcel there’s pretty much no way a man with those stats can end up as a legit incel

 

[Salustio]

please explain how 6/10 standing at 5’10-11 would be an incel.

I always used the PSL rating system. I rated myself lower than everyone did, and I rated low every face I saw through my years of presence in these communities.

I rated a lot of people, surely more than 100. I saw a lot of legit ugly people, but also prettyboys, and sometimes GoodLooking people.

IRL I’ve met people who I know for sure they are incels who are not that bad in the look department.

This focus on looks that this website has is legit. But looks is not everything if we are talking about inceldom.

Looks is the most important thing, that means it is not the only variable, but it’s the most important.

Also, I tend to consider lazycels and mentalcel true incels.

So, after years experiencing the inceldom phenomenon I learned that also 6/10 dudes can be temporary incels or even permanent ones in some cases. I have several examples: @Brio93 is still incel right now and he sure has been at least 6/10.

The temporary incels are those who are willing to become betabuxers. At a point in life, most of the people you see online LARPing as “lonely males” get a girlfriend and move on with their lives. Only true incels remains and they can be ugly or pretty decent in the looks department.

 

[Ellsworth]

Let’s all remember that yes a 6/10 can get laid with effort. However to actually be loved by a foid you need to be 8/10 minimum. Also need 8/10 to unlock foids more advanced sex codes. 6/10 sure she’ll fuck you but not like she will a Chad.

 

[StaroRavager]

I always used the PSL rating system. I rated myself lower than everyone did, and I rated low every face I saw through my years of presence in these communities.

I rated a lot of people, surely more than 100. I saw a lot of legit ugly people, but also prettyboys, and sometimes GoodLooking people.

IRL I’ve met people who I know for sure they are incels who are not that bad in the look department.

This focus on looks that this website has is legit. But looks is not everything if we are talking about inceldom.

Looks is the most important thing, that means it is not the only variable, but it’s the most important.

Also, I tend to consider lazycels and mentalcel true incels.

So, after years experiencing the inceldom phenomenon I learned that also 6/10 dudes can be temporary incels or even permanent ones in some cases. I have several examples: @Brio93 is still incel right now and he sure has been at least 6/10.

The temporary incels are those who are willing to become betabuxers. At a point in life, most of the people you see online LARPing as “lonely males” get a girlfriend and move on with their lives. Only true incels remains and they can be ugly or pretty decent in the looks department.

I agree that looks aren’t the only factor at play here but I’d say looks do at least 85% of the work when it comes to things like an ons. Looks aren’t the only factor but if you’re not actively throwing your potential and opportunities there should be no reason for a 6 to be an incel barring something like homelessness or being considered as an “untouchable” in your location.

If you’re a lazy cell and not sub4 you’re actively wasting your potential thus you’re a volcel. If you are a high functioning autist or aspie and do absolutely nothing to mitigate your condition then once again you’re wasting your potential. The only grey area is a standardcel and that’s only because anyone from a 1-7 can have unreasonable standards. I use sub4 as the standard for incels because only things like surgerymaxxing or becoming a betabuxx can save them. A 4 just needs to looksmaxx himself up by a point or two and he’s made it such things simply impossible for legit incels without any extreme meseaures or strategy

Edit: if @Brio93 was truly a 6 his ban was warranted

 

[Salustio]

Edit: if @Brio93 was truly a 6 his ban was warranted

He is one among many 6/10 incels.

@AncapFAG is a prettyboy, looking for a teen gigastacy. They have been unfairly banned. Inceldom is not only caused by bad looks.

 

[StaroRavager]

He is one among many 6/10 incels.

@AncapFAG is a prettyboy, looking for a teen gigastacy. They have been unfairly banned. Inceldom is not only caused by bad looks.

How were they unfairly banned. A prettyboy has no excuse not to be rolling in it. What excuse could possibly be made for him

 

[Salustio]

How were they unfairly banned. A prettyboy has no excuse not to be rolling in it. What excuse could possibly be made for him

I know that probably you are LARPing. But try to be real for a second.

Looks is the most important thing, we all agree on that.

I’d say that looks make up for the 80% of the total LMS score, AT LEAST.

But looks is not everything, it is not enough. Think about a man who is barely 6/10, he is deficient in the most important department, looks. So if he lacks everything else, he can absolutely be incel like other uglier than him.

Looks is so important, it is almost everything. The lack of a single PSL point can determine your fate as an incel.

 

[Player]

Let’s be real, things are bad and getting worse as far as hypergamy contributing to inceldom. However being on this site leads one to believe that things are worse than it really is because we are not allowed to discuss any successes here as it is considered bragging.

Obviously there are guys getting some female attention and dates here but we just can’t be made aware of it. I’m not talking about the fakecels but rather the legit incrls who are still sexless but have minor successes with foids.

True. However, it is still nothing in the long run. Agepill kicks in and ruins everything.

 

[StaroRavager]

I know that probably you are LARPing. But try to be real for a second.

WHat gave you that impression

I’d say that looks make up for the 80% of the total LMS score, AT LEAST.

But looks is not everything, it is not enough. Think about a man who is barely 6/10, he is deficient in the most important department, looks. So if he lacks everything else, he can absolutely be incel like other uglier than him.

Looks is so important, it is almost everything. The lack of a single PSL point can determine your fate as an incel.

If a 6 is deficient than I must be abysmal at best JFL. A 6 is considered above average and we already know that an average man can get laid with effort, so how could someone only 2 points away from Chad tier be considered “deficient”. You stated that I was LARPing in this post and yet it seems you’re trying to defend the numerous fakecel that have infested this place

 

[Salustio]

fakecel that have ingested this place

No-one is fakecel if he stays here for a long period of time.

Think about VST, was he fakecel? I don’t think so. He had something like 2000 messages on this board. He surely was incel.

Fakecel is a meme.

Inceldom is growing, now a 6/10 can be incel too in Europe, he can be incel even in Poland.

Would you consider a mediocre 6/10 to be “OK”? He is barely sufficient for today’s insane lookist standards, so he must overcompensate in every area of his life, this is almost impossible for mentalcels and lazy people. That’s why they can be incels too if they are only 6/10 and white

 

[Villain]

You say it's relative?
If you reach 50 years of age and the only "sex" you've ever had was with escorts, well...
Then yes, it is that bad.
Look back at your life knowing that it was utter and complete failure, I consider that bad.

In your 50's nothing can stop you to fuck prostitutes who are in their 20's
while others are getting nagged by their wife who hit the wall and wont sex with them / others are paying alimony and monthly child support

 

[StaroRavager]

No-one is fakecel if he stays here for a long period of time.

Think about VST, was he fakecel? I don’t think so. He had something like 2000 messages on this board. He surely was incel.

That’s like saying millionaires that chose to live in apartments are poor

Fakecel is a meme.

No, many members here have been outed as fakes and sex havers. Fakecels are not only real but they’re overrunning this place and are gaining footholds here due to posts like this

Inceldom is growing, now a 6/10 can be incel too in Europe, he can be incel even in Poland.

Would you consider a mediocre 6/10 to be “OK”?

No a 6 is above average

He is barely sufficient for today’s insane lookist standards, so he must overcompensate in every area of his life, this is almost impossible for mentalcels and lazy people. That’s why they can be incels too if they are only 6/10 and white

So as long as you don’t get off your ass in an attempt to lose your virginity you’re automatically an incel? Fucking hell, the incel sphere is doomed. The title of incel should only be reserved for genetically inferior, unattractive males. Stating that going out and putting effort into getting laid is unreasonable is a slap in the face to all of those who weren’t born with average or above average looks. Those with little to no hope would kill to be a 6 and to just sit there and say that they have it just as bad as us is an insult

 

[Salustio]

The title of incel should only be reserved for genetically inferior, unattractive males

Or honorary incels, like the writer Raja Alich, or Cesare Pavese.

You see, inceldom is a unique condition. A strict and simple definition can be the original one: “involuntary celibacy”.

You want to be with a girl but you cannot, for whatever reasons, not only looks.

 

[StaroRavager]

Or honorary incels, like the writer Raja Alich, or Cesare Pavese.

You see, inceldom is a unique condition. A strict and simple definition can be the original one: “involuntary celibacy”.

You want to be with a girl but you cannot, for whatever reasons, not only looks.

If you are good looking then you can get a gf end of story. You yourself said that looks are 80% of the equation. There are no “honorary incels”, you’re either legit (truecel, incel) or your a normie, chadlite, or Chad. Anyone is looks average or above average and claiming inceldom is either a fakecel or a volcel

 

[Salustio]

If you are good looking then you can get a gf end of story. You yourself said that looks are 80% of the equation. There are no “honorary incels”, you’re either legit (truecel, incel) or your a normie, chadlite, or Chad. Anyone is looks average or above average and claiming inceldom is either a fakecel or a volcel

Cesare Pavese was a dicklet honorary incel, uglycel, and definitely he feared the dickpill.

A common thing among dicklets like Elliot Rodger, is that all of them are unaware of the dickpill.

You see, it’s not only looks. Dick matters too.

Take an average 6/10 man, with dick problems. He will be incel due to his inferior dick.

Mentalcellism can be a serious issue too. A 6/10 look is not enough to compensate the aspergness and high inhibition.

There are a lot of problems, even moral issues can stop you.

There are Christian incels out there, I know some of them, virgins by choice, and of course incels too.

I have respect for other people’s way of life, that’s why I won’t judge a Christian incel who is not ugly.

Mentalcels, lazycels, moralcels, also standardcels are legit incels.

 

[StaroRavager]

Cesare Pavese was a dicklet honorary incel, uglycel, and definitely he feared the dickpill.

A common thing among dicklets like Elliot Rodger, is that all of them are unaware of the dickpill.

Your dick isn’t what gets you in the door. If you never approach under any circumstances don’t expect to lose you’re virginity

Mentalcellism can be a serious issue too. A 6/10 look is not enough to compensate the aspergness and high inhibition.

If you’re a 6 who can carry a conversation without completely shutting down or going into some screeching tirade, then your mental state isn’t seriously crippling

There are a lot of problems, even moral issues can stop you.

There are Christian incels out there, I know some of them, virgins by choice, and of course incels too.

I have respect for other people’s way of life, that’s why I won’t judge a Christian incel who is not ugly.

Those are just volcels

 

[Napoleon de Geso]

Morning. Again, no likes or messages from cute grils in fb


i hate women

 

[Hate_my_life]

In after Napoleon

A 6 is considered above average and we already know that an average man can get laid with effort

So you’re saying a 6/10 male with an average height of 5’10-5’11 is an incel . I honestly shouldn’t be surprised at this poin

You're underestimating how bad hypergamy has gotten.

For starters may I remind you that women rated 80% of men as below average? That OKCupid study is the ONLY legitimate credible source we have as there was anonymity, thus foids didnt feel the need to virtue nonsensical sentiments that they themselves even know is bullshit.

Based on that study alone we can no longer say being a 5 (PSL) is average.
The PSL rating that foids now see as average will be higher.
How high? I don't know.

Personally I don't think this is proof of sub-8 law, but rather sub-4 is now sub-6 I.e.

If you're:
0-5 you're probably an Incel.

The reason why I'm guessing @Salustio Stated 6-7 may be an Incel is because the amount of work someone has to put in vs the rewards they'll get out of the work you've put out.

I'm not agreeing with Salustio's bold statement that:

6/10 makes you incapable of ever getting sex

However, the 6-7/10s at punching way below their weight because female beauty is valued WAYYYYYYYY more than Male beauty.

A foid that is a 5/10 (PSL) is a 7/10 in reality.
Whatever a foid's PSL rating is, add 2 points to get her true rating in the world.
Furthermore if a foid is SLIM, it's impossible for her to be a 5/10 or less no matter how bad her face is.

It all comes down as to what you define as an Incel.
The only method I have of ever "ascending" is if I'm swimming in money and I'm LUCKY (not even guaranteed), to find a single mother to betabux for (which I won't do for dignity reasons as well as I may even get rejected for that unless I'm making serious bank).

Being a 6-7/10 means they have to go for 2-3/10 foids which would date them, it's just the 6-7/10 guy has to put in a shit tonne of effort for something below him (which may still cuck him In the end).
Is it worth it?

 

[happiless]

Let’s be real, things are bad and getting worse as far as hypergamy contributing to inceldom. However being on this site leads one to believe that things are worse than it really is because we are not allowed to discuss any successes here as it is considered bragging.

Obviously there are guys getting some female attention and dates here but we just can’t be made aware of it. I’m not talking about the fakecels but rather the legit incrls who are still sexless but have minor successes with foids.

Things are exactly as bad as we claim. Sure some exaggerate, but Chads do get the majority of sex, the 80-20 rule is true for the sexual marketplace, plenty of average men get betabuxxed/divorce raped and life is awful for sub-4s and bad for 4s.

 

[Deleted member 17419]

There are Christian incels out there, I know some of them, virgins by choice, and of course incels too.

So you do not know what involuntary means or what?

 

[Salustio]

So you do not know what involuntary means or what?

Being unable to find a girl because they are all whores can be related with inceldom, if you are religious.

 

[Incline]

Let’s be real, things are bad and getting worse as far as hypergamy contributing to inceldom. However being on this site leads one to believe that things are worse than it really is because we are not allowed to discuss any successes here as it is considered bragging.

Obviously there are guys getting some female attention and dates here but we just can’t be made aware of it. I’m not talking about the fakecels but rather the legit incrls who are still sexless but have minor successes with foids.

If you are truecel is over for you there is no success.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

However being on this site leads one to believe that things are worse than it really is because we are not allowed to discuss any successes here as it is considered bragging.

That's true but what little attention that incels recieve is irrelevant tbh and I'd wager that it's mostly just gold digging attempts or orbit-seeking anyway. Truth is that we're fucked and it's over for most men.

 

[youcandoit]

At least 90% of people here are just hard mentalcels. They prefer larping as victims than actually trying to meet girls and risk rejection and emotional pain. Therefore, "be chad or it's over"

 

[LDARBuddah]

Everything is awful

 

[ihaveno1]

a lot of it depends on ur location, how ugly u are, and how bad ur mental problems/upbringing is

 

[StaroRavager]

You're underestimating how bad hypergamy has gotten.

For starters may I remind you that women rated 80% of men as below average? That OKCupid study is the ONLY legitimate credible source we have as there was anonymity, thus foids didnt feel the need to virtue nonsensical sentiments that they themselves even know is bullshit.

Based on that study alone we can no longer say being a 5 (PSL) is average.
The PSL rating that foids now see as average will be higher.
How high? I don't know.

Personally I don't think this is proof of sub-8 law, but rather sub-4 is now sub-6 I.e.

If you're:
0-5 you're probably an Incel.

Have you ever considered the source of this study. I’m not going to say that hypergamy isn’t a thing since it’s obviously been in place since the advent of sexual reproduction, but I would suggest you consider every factor of this survey from the ones who conducted it, to the subjects the survey attempted to analyze.

One survey on a dating website isn’t enough to make such a sweeping generalization. A scientist doesn’t simply run through an experience to once and goes off to publish his research, they preform countless tribes accounting for and playing around with numerous variables before they can come to a conclusive answer to their hypothesis

The reason why I'm guessing @Salustio Stated 6-7 may be an Incel is because the amount of work someone has to put in vs the rewards they'll get out of the work you've put out.

I'm not agreeing with Salustio's bold statement that:

However, the 6-7/10s at punching way below their weight because female beauty is valued WAYYYYYYYY more than Male beauty.

A 6-7 is only a step or two down from a Chad. In fact, a 7 is Chadlite tier and we’ve all heard the phrase “Chad always wins” here. We all know that Chads simply need to take a stroll around a public place and he will be hungrily eye fucked by virtually every single foid he comes across. He could simply walk in close proximity to them and their Brian’s will practically malfunction. In some cases he doesn’t even have to approach. Yet somehow despite all of this a man who is only one point below the level has to “scrap and slave” to get a 2-3? The math just doesn’t add up

A foid that is a 5/10 (PSL) is a 7/10 in reality.
Whatever a foid's PSL rating is, add 2 points to get her true rating in the world.
Furthermore if a foid is SLIM, it's impossible for her to be a 5/10 or less no matter how bad her face is.

This sounds more like you’re own personal thoughts on female beauty rather than a general consensus. Being slim for example does not entitle a foid to the rank of 5, not even close. I’ll grant you, men are much more accepting of foids who are a point or two lower than them. In fact some are even willing to go down 3-4. It’s possible, but all things considered it isn’t probable.

I can certainly see a 3 with a 5 and I’ve done so in the past but I’ve seen many more 3s with 4s than I have with 5s. It’s all about he range of your options. For a 5 you’ll probably be hitting anywhere from a 3-6 this is generally the range in which you will be dating depending on your standards and the effort you put in. If a 5 can get with a 5 which has and is still happening, then he will be much less inclined to go for a 3, not because he is biologically opposed to doing so but because he realizes the upper limits of his potential

It all comes down as to what you define as an Incel.
The only method I have of ever "ascending" is if I'm swimming in money and I'm LUCKY (not even guaranteed), to find a single mother to betabux for (which I won't do for dignity reasons as well as I may even get rejected for that unless I'm making serious bank).

I think the problem with the term “ascension” is that it’s been tampered with and has been attributed to more values and fantasies than one clear cut, defined goal. When I first got here I though ascension was just about having unpaid sex one time. I still belive in that somewhat but of course some people can simply get lucky or manipulate a situation in order to achieve this goal. The term ascension has been pulled in too many directions by far too many members and now it’s absolutely unrecognizable

Being a 6-7/10 means they have to go for 2-3/10 foids which would date them, it's just the 6-7/10 guy has to put in a shit tonne of effort for something below him (which may still cuck him In the end).
Is it worth it?

This statement would seem much less hyperbolic if you changed some variables around. A 6-7 might (and this is a huge might) hit a 3 for a pump and dump but a 6-7 has access to 4-7 foids as it’s realistic dating pool and for the lower ends of their pool little effort is required to attain a relationship

 

[Deleted member 1983]

fakecels gtfo plz

 

[Hate_my_life]

Have you ever considered the source of this study. I’m not going to say that hypergamy isn’t a thing since it’s obviously been in place since the advent of sexual reproduction, but I would suggest you consider every factor of this survey from the ones who conducted it, to the subjects the survey attempted to analyze.

Wasn't it conducted by an analysis on women's like/dislike methods on OKCupid?

One survey on a dating website isn’t enough to make such a sweeping generalization. A scientist doesn’t simply run through an experience to once and goes off to publish his research, they preform countless tribes accounting for and playing around with numerous variables before they can come to a conclusive answer to their hypothesis

The issue is, the experiment is not reproducible as there's too many variables outside of our control.
Firstly, if you ask any woman what she looks for in a guy, they'll inevitably say what they perceive to be the least shallow answer, as we know reality says otherwise.
Also no top-company is going to conduct an experiment on it's userbase to highlight data that would impact it's primary source of income (men) and tarnish the name of the divine beings (women).

Yet somehow despite all of this a man who is only one point below the level has to “scrap and slave” to get a 2-3? The math just doesn’t add up

The way I've seen it:

8-10/10 guys get their pick of women from 0-10.
7/10 guys (chadlites) can EASILY get with a 3-4/10, but a 5/10 foid will require more work and a 6-7/10 foid will be hard and they may get cucked.
5-6/10 guys (normies) can EASILY get with 2s and below, but in reality hardly any of them want a 2 or below.

The issue stems from the chadlites. If a chadlite goes and pumps and dumps a 3-4/10 foid, this fucks it up for the 5-6/10 guy's who'd go slightly below their level and have to compete with the chadlites who want to pump a

For a 5 you’ll probably be hitting anywhere from a 3-6 this is generally the range in which you will be dating depending on your standards and the effort you put in. If a 5 can get with a 5 which has and is still happening, then he will be much less inclined to go for a 3, not because he is biologically opposed to doing so but because he realizes the upper limits of his potential

A 5 can only get with a 5 if he lucks out and has good social status as well as money - it's definitely not a common occurrence and in every couple I see, the guy is better looking than the foid (maybe it's just the UK idk).

I think the problem with the term “ascension” is that it’s been tampered with and has been attributed to more values and fantasies than one clear cut, defined goal. When I first got here I though ascension was just about having unpaid sex one time. I still belive in that somewhat but of course some people can simply get lucky or manipulate a situation in order to achieve this goal. The term ascension has been pulled in too many directions by far too many members and now it’s absolutely unrecognizable

Ascension is not just sex, because there's nothing stopping anyone hiring a prostitute.

Ascension is not sex with a model tier foid because that would make us volcels and doomed for life.

Indeed ascension has been tampered by some users, but i feel like the general consensus is; ascension is unpaid sex with a foid that wants to have sex with you - this eliminates the few edgycels that may suggest we ascend through illegal methods.
The reason I disregard people such as "single-used up moms" is because they don't want to have sex with you as they're only seeking people for the financial security.

A 6-7 might (and this is a huge might) hit a 3 for a pump and dump but a 6-7 has access to 4-7 foids as it’s realistic dating pool and for the lower ends of their pool little effort is required to attain a relationship

True, although I'd change the "might" to "will".

I frequent another forum called the "misc - bodybuilding forum" and the things some guys (chadlites and chads) would smash (but not date) are diabolical for them.
Their reasoning is, because the lower you punch: the more likely the foid is to do more filthy shit (One guy was bragging about how out of all foids he's had sex with, the best one was with a landwhale because she "sucked me dry and swallowed it all like a champ").

 

[TheRealChincel]

OP, you’re right, they’re even worse.

 

[StaroRavager]

Wasn't it conducted by an analysis on women's like/dislike methods on OKCupid?

Go on

The issue is, the experiment is not reproducible as there's too many variables outside of our control.
Firstly, if you ask any woman what she looks for in a guy, they'll inevitably say what they perceive to be the least shallow answer, as we know reality says otherwise.
Also no top-company is going to conduct an experiment on it's userbase to highlight data that would impact it's primary source of income (men) and tarnish the name of the divine beings (women).

I’m not saying that everything must be clean because few things ever are, but if you want to approach this in a scientific manner you can put forth such a slanted and slapdash survey as the very foundation of sub8 theory

The way I've seen it:

8-10/10 guys get their pick of women from 0-10.
7/10 guys (chadlites) can EASILY get with a 3-4/10, but a 5/10 foid will require more work and a 6-7/10 foid will be hard and they may get cucked.
5-6/10 guys (normies) can EASILY get with 2s and below, but in reality hardly any of them want a 2 or below.

The issue stems from the chadlites. If a chadlite goes and pumps and dumps a 3-4/10 foid, this fucks it up for the 5-6/10 guy's who'd go slightly below their level and have to compete with the chadlites who want to pump a

A 5 can only get with a 5 if he lucks out and has good social status as well as money - it's definitely not a common occurrence and in every couple I see, the guy is better looking than the foid (maybe it's just the UK idk).

I’ve see things play out differently but pitting my observations against yours won’t further this conversation in a productive way. All I’ll say is that based on what I’ve witnessed, most people date within a 4 point radius: Either 2 points down or 2 points up with foids more likely to date up than males

i feel like the general consensus is; ascension is unpaid sex with a foid that wants to have sex with you

I agree

True, although I'd change the "might" to "will".

I frequent another forum called the "misc - bodybuilding forum" and the things some guys (chadlites and chads) would smash (but not date) are diabolical for them.
Their reasoning is, because the lower you punch: the more likely the foid is to do more filthy shit (One guy was bragging about how out of all foids he's had sex with, the best one was with a landwhale because she "sucked me dry and swallowed it all like a champ").

I remember back when i used to lurk there, and I’ve seen similar occurrences. As I said before men are more tolerant of both fucking and dating down but that doesn’t mean that doing so is their only course of action