Experiment Do you consider this situation to be rape?

Is this rape?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • No

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • Total voters
    36
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Two weeks ago my (35F) friend (34F) met a guy she had been talking to online for a few weeks. He wasn’t from the area (about 45 minutes away), so he mentioned having got a hotel when they met up. She made it clear that they were just hanging out and that she would not be staying with him there or sleeping with him. He said he totally understood.

After spending all day outside and having had a few drinks, he invited her back to the hotel to get dinner so that she would feel safe driving home after the drinks they had. She again made it clear that they would not be having sex, and he told her he would be “a perfect gentleman.” She hesitantly agreed, but went with him as she wanted to be fully sober while driving. She also had a nice day with him- holding hands, talking, and nothing else physical had happened.

Upon getting to the hotel, they ordered dinner and continued their conversation. Things were uneventful through dinner arriving. Because she was having a great time and liked him- she accepted a kiss from him. His demeanor completely changed and he became extremely physically aggressive. Within seconds his hands were pulling her clothes off and she was telling him to stop and slow down. He shoved his hands down her pants and pinned her down. I won’t describe the rest, but he continued until he had raped her. The whole thing was done in under 5 minutes and he tossed a towel at her when he was done saying “here’s a cum rag.” She said she felt numb and frozen as she pulled her clothes on and she left without saying anything else to each other.

She called me sobbing after and told me what happened, but said she wanted to forget the whole thing and completely refused to report it. She blames herself for putting herself in a risky situation, but she made herself clear from the beginning that she didn’t want to have sex with him. She is getting tested for stds since he didn’t use a condom, but just blocked him on social media. Before she did this, I looked him up and saw his pictures and profile. Three days ago he liked me on the same dating app.

I’m trying to decide what to do with this information- if anything at all. Who knows how many women he has done this to, or how many more he will continue to victimize. I want to do something and not let this asshole get away with this disgusting behavior.

Source: twoX

Making an anonymous poll so nobody feels pressured to vote "no" so as to not be considered a cuck. Please be impartial and vote based on whether you think what the guy did was wrong or not, even if you hate women.:feelsthink:

If it's too long for you, the main part is in the paragraph in bold :feelsYall:
 
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Yes, it sounds like rape.

I take it that even though she made it clear to him she didn't want sex, she somehow thought it'd be a good idea to have dinner in his hotel room instead of in the hotel restaurant? She really has only herself to blame for placing herself in that situation, where even if a rape did occur, it would be a he said/she said, so extremely unlikely that she could prove anything.

A good criminal defense attorney would've torn her to shreds.
 
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That is what people should think of when they hear rape. Not some feminists bullshit about a roastie who regrets getting Brad and not chad
 
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If it's too long for you, the main part is in the paragraph in bold :feelsYall:
Thanks because the beginning reads like Reddit bullshit and I'm not going to tolerate the whole thing if this is from Reddit.

Upon getting to the hotel, they ordered dinner and continued their conversation.
Nope.
Things were uneventful through dinner arriving. Because she was having a great time and liked him- she accepted a kiss from him.
Nope.
His demeanor completely changed and he became extremely physically aggressive.
I'm smelling bullshit.
Within seconds his hands were pulling her clothes off and she was telling him to stop and slow down. He shoved his hands down her pants and pinned her down.
I'm smelling bullshit.
I won’t describe the rest, but he continued until he had raped her. The whole thing was done in under 5 minutes and he tossed a towel at her when he was done saying “here’s a cum rag.”
Only 5 minutes? Also, if rape this guy has to be fucking stupid as leaving her there and throwing anything at her can be used at you as a weapon to take you out. I'm smelling bullshit still.
She said she felt numb and frozen as she pulled her clothes on and she left without saying anything else to each other.
And she didn't tell the police? Why not?
I didn't shit myself. I'm not a bull. I'M SMELLING BULLSHIT!
 
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no, an ugly guy wouldn't have treated her that way. she fully well know that it was about to go down, jfl if you believe a female that say "i'm not here for hookups" "no sex sweetie", yet she still accepts invitation to hotel. where are your brains woman?

Step 1. look good
Step 2. buy her drinks
Step 3. offer her to go to hotel
Step 4. wow how did this happen, how did i get manipulated, boohoo time to go on reddit for my daily dose of validation
it's clearly mens' fault, men are cunning and manipulative.
 
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That is what people should think of when they hear rape. Not some feminists bullshit about a roastie who regrets getting Brad and not chad
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no, an ugly guy wouldn't have treated her that way. she fully well know that it was about to go down, jfl if you believe a female that say "i'm not here for hookups" "no sex sweetie", yet she still accepts invitation to hotel. where are your brains woman?

Step 1. look good
Step 2. buy her drinks
Step 3. offer her to go to hotel
Step 4. wow how did this happen, how did i get manipulated, boohoo time to go on reddit for my daily dose of validation
it's clearly mens' fault, men are cunning and manipulative.
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1. Yes it was rape.
2.
Because she was having a great time and liked him- she accepted a kiss from him.
This. Why? Clearly he's worse than your average incel, so if women have personality detectors that can detect misogyny, and toxic behavior/thoughts, why couldn't she tell with this person when they can reject incels because they just know they're horrible people by their demeanor? Hmm. I wonder.
 
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I have voted yes. He should have stopped once she said so. But I definitely think badly of the woman too. Why meet up in a hotel for the first meeting if you don't plan to have sex? Why not just go eat somewhere or watch a movie in a theater if you clearly don't want to have sex? Bad decision making.
 
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I have voted yes. He should have stopped once she said so. But I definitely think badly of the woman too. Why meet up in a hotel for the first meeting if you don't plan to have sex? Why not just go eat somewhere or watch a movie in a theater if you clearly don't want to have sex? Bad decision making.
tbh
 
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my (35F) friend (34F) met
WTF is up with this double parenthesis, do you not know how old she is?
NM figured it out: 35yo telling story about 34yo

Yikerinos if you're going to quote some foid from TwoX then please her her story in a quote bracket so it's clear this isn't your own story.

I wrote my replies as if responding to you so I'm not going to change the rest, but just read this as directed as the TwoX you were quoting

She made it clear that they were just hanging out and that she would not be staying with him there or sleeping with him. He said he totally understood.
Irrelevant, foids can change their minds, often do, and also often lie about their plans to give a false sense of modesty.
After spending all day outside and having had a few drinks, he invited her back to the hotel to get dinner so that she would feel safe driving home after the drinks they had.
She again made it clear that they would not be having sex, and he told her he would be “a perfect gentleman.”
Again: since women can consent and then revoke that consent on a dime, the verse also applies: they can be in a state of non-consent and then give it later, so it doesn't seem especially important what she said prior to going to this dinner.

She hesitantly agreed, but went with him as she wanted to be fully sober while driving.
I call bullshit: she could've just eaten alone if this were her only motive.

She also had a nice day with him- holding hands, talking, and nothing else physical had happened.

Upon getting to the hotel, they ordered dinner and continued their conversation. Things were uneventful through dinner arriving. Because she was having a great time and liked him- she accepted a kiss from him.
IE contradicting her earlier "just hanging out" and "nothing will happen" statements and setting a precedent of "ignore things I don't say, I don't mean them".

his hands were pulling her clothes off and she was telling him to stop and slow down

Which one is it? Moving from "~stop~" to "~slow down~" is essentially "please continue, but slower so I can enjoy savour this".

Plus "stop" often just means "pause for a second while I take off my panties" depending on how it's expressed. It doesn't necessarily mean "we're done for the night, you're raping me". Tone and insistence matter.

He shoved his hands down her pants and pinned her down

Again, which one is it? This reads as a contradiction.

Pinning someone down is done by putting weight on limbs or skeletal structures, while putting hands down pants is generally done to masturbate the clitoris.

Pinning a woman down by putting a hand on her pelvis makes no logical sense because she can use either of her strong hip extensors (glutes) to bridge/tilt out of the position. It's the strongest muscle in the body and even a guy with strong arms couldn't pin a woman like that.

Clarification is needed: how was pinning done, and did it happen simultaneously or sequentially with the pants-poking?

I won’t describe the rest, but he continued until he had raped her.

I will not agree with your proposal that this is rape unless you actually do describe more of what happened, because you have not been consistent about details.

said she wanted to forget the whole thing and completely refused to report it
Does telling friends about something generally aid in forgetting about it happening? Doesn't really make sense to me.

She blames herself for putting herself in a risky situation, but she made herself clear from the beginning that she didn’t want to have sex with him.
You paraphrased her as "just hanging out" yet she contradicted this by sending clear signals of romanticism: holding hands and kissing. This is generally termed "foreplay".

She is getting tested for stds since he didn’t use a condom, but just blocked him on social media. Before she did this, I looked him up and saw his pictures and profile. Three days ago he liked me on the same dating app.

Making an anonymous poll so nobody feels pressured to vote "no" so as to not be considered a cuck
I would not characterize misdiagnosing consent as rape to be cucked.
That is what people should think of when they hear rape. Not some feminists bullshit about a roastie who regrets getting Brad and not chad
When I think of rape I don't think of a foid sending mixed signals by being all "just friends" then handholding+kissing and merely saying "slow down" when he masturbates her.
no, an ugly guy wouldn't have treated her that way. she fully well know that it was about to go down, jfl if you believe a female that say "i'm not here for hookups" "no sex sweetie", yet she still accepts invitation to hotel. where are your brains woman?
I know this sounds like nitpicking, but I don't think accepting an invitation to a hotel is consent for sex. There was after all a restaurant in the hotel, so she was only accepting dinner.

The key is that after dinner she accepted an invitation to the hotel ROOM (ie private with him) when there were romantic overtones already (handholding on the street, kissing at dinner) despite her saying earlier that this was non-romantic.

If you shift from romantic>non-romantic and contradict your earlier reservations in one regard, then the guy is right to basically throw out all your prior promises/refusals and just read how you are acting in that present moment.

How she was acting in that present moment was holding/kissing him so of course he starts rubbing her clit.
This is a natural foreplay progression.
What exactly are the intervening steps being skipped here?

If you go "stop.. slow down" then obviously that first "stop" was not done with any particular enthusiasm and was just some half-assed type of "I'm not that type of girl" colloquial horny foids do to pretend at some level of chastity.

You don't begin with a harsh "stop!" of any level of believability and then downgrade it to "slow down".
He should have stopped once she said so
We don't even know if he heard her, and even if he did, my bet is that she said it in a suggestive non-literal way.

For example:

sometimes she doesn't want Chad to stop dribbling she is just being coy

these probably resemble the way the foid conveyed her know TBH:




where if you're actually thoroughly wanting the guy to stop you express it like genuinely like this:

 
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No because she decided to go with him.

If you don't want a man to have intercourse with you, don't spend time with him behind closed doors.

Also, I bet 10 foids have masturbated upon reading this story, and all of the foids reading this got wet.
 
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Step 1. look good
Step 2. buy her drinks
Step 3. offer her to go to hotel
Step 4. wow how did this happen, how did i get manipulated, boohoo time
Hole moment

This is why you need to keep a leash on them. They're way too stupid and naive.
 
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WTF is up with this double parenthesis, do you not know how old she is?
NM figured it out: 35yo telling story about 34yo

Yikerinos if you're going to quote some foid from TwoX then please her her story in a quote bracket so it's clear this isn't your own story.

I wrote my replies as if responding to you so I'm not going to change the rest, but just read this as directed as the TwoX you were quoting


Irrelevant, foids can change their minds, often do, and also often lie about their plans to give a false sense of modesty.


Again: since women can consent and then revoke that consent on a dime, the verse also applies: they can be in a state of non-consent and then give it later, so it doesn't seem especially important what she said prior to going to this dinner.


I call bullshit: she could've just eaten alone if this were her only motive.


IE contradicting her earlier "just hanging out" and "nothing will happen" statements and setting a precedent of "ignore things I don't say, I don't mean them".



Which one is it? Moving from "~stop~" to "~slow down~" is essentially "please continue, but slower so I can enjoy savour this".

Plus "stop" often just means "pause for a second while I take off my panties" depending on how it's expressed. It doesn't necessarily mean "we're done for the night, you're raping me". Tone and insistence matter.



Again, which one is it? This reads as a contradiction.

Pinning someone down is done by putting weight on limbs or skeletal structures, while putting hands down pants is generally done to masturbate the clitoris.

Pinning a woman down by putting a hand on her pelvis makes no logical sense because she can use either of her strong hip extensors (glutes) to bridge/tilt out of the position. It's the strongest muscle in the body and even a guy with strong arms couldn't pin a woman like that.

Clarification is needed: how was pinning done, and did it happen simultaneously or sequentially with the pants-poking?



I will not agree with your proposal that this is rape unless you actually do describe more of what happened, because you have not been consistent about details.


Does telling friends about something generally aid in forgetting about it happening? Doesn't really make sense to me.


You paraphrased her as "just hanging out" yet she contradicted this by sending clear signals of romanticism: holding hands and kissing. This is generally termed "foreplay".




I would not characterize misdiagnosing consent as rape to be cucked.

When I think of rape I don't think of a foid sending mixed signals by being all "just friends" then handholding+kissing and merely saying "slow down" when he masturbates her.

I know this sounds like nitpicking, but I don't think accepting an invitation to a hotel is consent for sex. There was after all a restaurant in the hotel, so she was only accepting dinner.

The key is that after dinner she accepted an invitation to the hotel ROOM (ie private with him) when there were romantic overtones already (handholding on the street, kissing at dinner) despite her saying earlier that this was non-romantic.

If you shift from romantic>non-romantic and contradict your earlier reservations in one regard, then the guy is right to basically throw out all your prior promises/refusals and just read how you are acting in that present moment.

How she was acting in that present moment was holding/kissing him so of course he starts rubbing her clit.
This is a natural foreplay progression.
What exactly are the intervening steps being skipped here?

If you go "stop.. slow down" then obviously that first "stop" was not done with any particular enthusiasm and was just some half-assed type of "I'm not that type of girl" colloquial horny foids do to pretend at some level of chastity.

You don't begin with a harsh "stop!" of any level of believability and then downgrade it to "slow down".

We don't even know if he heard her, and even if he did, my bet is that she said it in a suggestive non-literal way.

For example:

sometimes she doesn't want Chad to stop dribbling she is just being coy

these probably resemble the way the foid conveyed her know TBH:
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where if you're actually thoroughly wanting the guy to stop you express it like genuinely like this:

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jesus christ man holy shit you dont have to add anime porn to everything
 
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Of course its rape.

But is she accountable?

Yeah, she is. She suffered the consequences of her actions.
 
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they had sex, so it's rape.
 
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Yes it's rape
 
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1. Yes, rape.

2. This is why women should date/wed nice guys who actually care about them and who aren't violent NT jocks.
 
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Two weeks ago my (35F) friend (34F) met a guy she had been talking to online for a few weeks. He wasn’t from the area (about 45 minutes away), so he mentioned having got a hotel when they met up. She made it clear that they were just hanging out and that she would not be staying with him there or sleeping with him. He said he totally understood.

After spending all day outside and having had a few drinks, he invited her back to the hotel to get dinner so that she would feel safe driving home after the drinks they had. She again made it clear that they would not be having sex, and he told her he would be “a perfect gentleman.” She hesitantly agreed, but went with him as she wanted to be fully sober while driving. She also had a nice day with him- holding hands, talking, and nothing else physical had happened.

Upon getting to the hotel, they ordered dinner and continued their conversation. Things were uneventful through dinner arriving. Because she was having a great time and liked him- she accepted a kiss from him. His demeanor completely changed and he became extremely physically aggressive. Within seconds his hands were pulling her clothes off and she was telling him to stop and slow down. He shoved his hands down her pants and pinned her down. I won’t describe the rest, but he continued until he had raped her. The whole thing was done in under 5 minutes and he tossed a towel at her when he was done saying “here’s a cum rag.” She said she felt numb and frozen as she pulled her clothes on and she left without saying anything else to each other.

She called me sobbing after and told me what happened, but said she wanted to forget the whole thing and completely refused to report it. She blames herself for putting herself in a risky situation, but she made herself clear from the beginning that she didn’t want to have sex with him. She is getting tested for stds since he didn’t use a condom, but just blocked him on social media. Before she did this, I looked him up and saw his pictures and profile. Three days ago he liked me on the same dating app.

I’m trying to decide what to do with this information- if anything at all. Who knows how many women he has done this to, or how many more he will continue to victimize. I want to do something and not let this asshole get away with this disgusting behavior.

Source: twoX

Making an anonymous poll so nobody feels pressured to vote "no" so as to not be considered a cuck. Please be impartial and vote based on whether you think what the guy did was wrong or not, even if you hate women.:feelsthink:

If it's too long for you, the main part is in the paragraph in bold :feelsYall:
Yeah that’s rape, wouldn’t be surprised if she went right back to him though.

As a side, this story is not realistic. She gets “raped” then immediately tells her friend instead of the police? If it was such a bad experience why didn’t she fight? Why didn’t she at least tell the authorities when she was out of harms way?

Because she’s PROBABLY lying. What actually happened was she got drunk and fucked him and got mad when he basically used her for a free lay,
 
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Yes, it sounds like rape.

I take it that even though she made it clear to him she didn't want sex, she somehow thought it'd be a good idea to have dinner in his hotel room instead of in the hotel restaurant? She really has only herself to blame for placing herself in that situation, where even if a rape did occur, it would be a he said/she said, so extremely unlikely that she could prove anything.

A good criminal defense attorney would've torn her to shreds.
She could be lying. But if she's not, that's rape.
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inels don't care. she didnt kiss me. I am a kissless virgin.
 
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Was it rape? Yes.

Am I going to make an emotional investment in this story? No.

Is she likely to go back to the guy who raped her, especially if he's Chad? Yes.
 
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Was it rape? Yes.

Am I going to make an emotional investment in this story? No.

Is she likely to go back to the guy who raped her, especially if he's Chad? Yes.
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No, the whore liked it, that's why she doesn't want to report. If the guy was an incel he would be already in jail.
 
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Answer is simple : not Chad = rape.

So probably rape.
 
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Yes it was rape.

However I'm calling larp at the same time.
 
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Yeah, it is. But the foid is to blame here, she put herself in that situation
 
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The dude sounds like he was high tier normie considering she was willing to meet up with him and go to his hotel room but she still considers this rape. Remember, CHAD CANNOT RAPE. The foids wouldn’t perceive it like that.

Yes though, if it went down how it was described, it was rape.

She isn’t deluding anyone on this site though, she clearly wanted this to happen. If she didn’t feel comfortable driving home immediately she could have waited by herself, or at least NOT IN THE DUDES HOTEL ROOM. Kek. She wanted this, and then she felt bad about living out her rape fantasy so she started crying to her friend.

The biggest thing she probably regrets is not living out her rape fantasy with chad, but only a high tier Norman.
 
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The dude sounds like he was high tier normie considering she was willing to meet up with him and go to his hotel room but she still considers this rape. Remember, CHAD CANNOT RAPE. The foids wouldn’t perceive it like that.

Yes though, if it went down how it was described, it was rape.

She isn’t deluding anyone on this site though, she clearly wanted this to happen. If she didn’t feel comfortable driving home immediately she could have waited by herself, or at least NOT IN THE DUDES HOTEL ROOM. Kek. She wanted this, and then she felt bad about living out her rape fantasy so she started crying to her friend.

The biggest thing she probably regrets is not living out her rape fantasy with chad, but only a high tier Norman.
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