Blackpill Self improvement is not only a cope, it's hateful

[Buried Alive 2.0]

Yeah that's what you want to think, not what it really is. People improve themselves for getting better careers and more money, not necessarily better social standings - just look around how many rich/successful men who don't have much friends.

Most people share my understanding of what self-improvement is. Even getting rich is done when they think about how many doors having money will open.

Females don't hit the gym to self improve, they go there to create content

They do both.

If you allow yourself to be shamed by people, then it's your mistake. I agree the "standard" is toxic, which is why you shouldn't let it ruin your life, just ignore it and everyone honking it on your ears.

This is a choice. Even if I ignore it it will still exist and be rampant.

Self improvement leads to better job prospects, which in turn fills your pockets with money, which you can use to pursue hobbies and travel the world. That's more than enough and much better than basement-dwelling.

This is not at guaranteed. It's the pitfall into which many fall. You self-improve, but don't achieve any success. Your and society's immediate thought is that you haven't done enough, so you self-improve more and more and more and still no success. Now you're 35, life is over and you haven't enjoyed anything. Success is not related to hard work, effort or intelligence.

Self improvement is so great for men that IT and other haters will never suggest it even when joking around. They know we can surpass them easily and they don't want that, you know? Can you imagine their minds melting when they see us achieving ANY kind of success?

I actually have some professional success and it came completely at random. I just changed fields (to IT) and job hopped once a year for better salary. No eternal, infinite cycle of sigma grindset.

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

I don't know why people are not more honest with themselves. You say enjoy life and travel the world. Let's ignore your actual ability to get enough money in a decent enough time frame that will let you enjoy those things while you're still young.

Do you plan on travelling alone? How will you manage a get a girlfriend? By virtue of your "status" and "money"?.

You will say something like muh i can travel alone and enjoy life by myself, there's no need for a woman. And that would be being disingenuous. You do not need money to enjoy life, in fact most people are content by having little money and a family.

I think i've reached a point where i can see most things for what they are. And your actual premise of enjoying life, if you have something to enjoy should not be limited to your money. If it's limited by money then i'm sorry to dissapoint you but you'll end up facing a wall.

Also a good point. You can see this well in poor people with families. They face hardships, but are ultimately happy and fulfilled emotionally, sexually and socially.

The premise of inceldom is the lack of sexual relationships not by choice, but by chance. We were made npcs by destiny, and that's a hard fact. If something as trivial as money limits you, go get it and get the life you want.

based.

 

[Carpanesi]

I don't know why people are not more honest with themselves. You say enjoy life and travel the world. Let's ignore your actual ability to get enough money in a decent enough time frame that will let you enjoy those things while you're still young.

Do you plan on travelling alone? How will you manage a get a girlfriend? By virtue of your "status" and "money"?

See, there's your problem - You ASSUME you "need" a girlfriend to enjoy life or to go along with you when you travel. Men can meet a lot of women traveling, so it can make it even easier to get a companion and even sex.

You will say something like muh i can travel alone and enjoy life by myself, there's no need for a woman. And that would be being disingenuous. You do not need money to enjoy life, in fact most people are content by having little money and a family.

Yes, I will very much say that because it's true

Speaking of "disingenuous", try buying food and paying rent without money. Family is often the first to backstab you if they find out you're different from them.

I think i've reached a point where i can see most things for what they are. And your actual premise of enjoying life, if you have something to enjoy should not be limited to your money. If it's limited by money then i'm sorry to dissapoint you but you'll end up facing a wall.

I disagree. I'm moderately happy with my situation rn. I'm working out on a way to get a better job that isn't part time (that's why I don't post consistently) and get more money to travel around south america. I also escort when I feel I want to. This setting helped me a lot controlling my anxiety, and I'm much happier than I was 3/4 months ago.

No shit it's my problem, like a normie with hopes like you would understand. I'm not against having aspirations and dreams, but you should be realistic about it and don't be retarded spouting nonsense in an incel forum. If you don't see yourself as a average npc villager, what the fuck are you doing here?

I signed up mostly to discuss escorting with other escortcels but I also talk to everyone else. I don't think striving to be better makes me less incel than anyone else, in fact I'm positive that many here have a much worse situation than me, so I'll never talk down to others or brag about anything.

The premise of inceldom is the lack of sexual relationships not by choice, but by chance. We were made npcs by destiny, and that's a hard fact. If something as trivial as money limits you, go get it and get the life you want.

Why you try to gatekeep inceldom? You're just making up excuses to not get better at something, just because it won't help you fuck women. I always recommend others try escorting at least once, because it can be a life-changing experience, just like it was for me. How the hell you take that and turn into an argument about who is and who isn't incel is beyond derailment.

 

[Carpanesi]

Most people share my understanding of what self-improvement is. Even getting rich is done when they think about how many doors having money will open.

Yes, and most people say the blackpill is bullshit despite the tons of scientifical and behavioral evidence that supports it. In the end, people believe what confirms their own set of beliefs (confirmation bias)

They do both.

Women beauty doesn't rely on muscle tone. In fact women who get more muscle often are considered more ugly by most males. I can't consider getting buffed up "improvement" for females.

This is a choice. Even if I ignore it it will still exist and be rampant.

Think it the other way: If it exists and there is nothing you can do to stop/reduce it's effects, what's the point of worrying about it? I gave up on society long ago. You could, too.

This is not at guaranteed. It's the pitfall into which many fall. You self-improve, but don't achieve any success. Your and society's immediate thought is that you haven't done enough, so you self-improve more and more and more and still no success. Now you're 35, life is over and you haven't enjoyed anything. Success is not related to hard work, effort or intelligence.

Can't argue this. I'm in my early 20's but I don't think life is "over" at 35. Still, studying and pursuing a career with a better pay is not some impossible thing to do. Many can get better jobs despite being ugly and sometimes even dumb. I'm putting massive effort into it - I'm sure I'll succeed at some point.

I actually have some professional success and it came completely at random. I just changed fields (to IT) and job hopped once a year for better salary. No eternal, infinite cycle of sigma grindset.

That's good thing to hear. I hope I too will get a better job till the end of the year.

 

[Carpanesi]

A saint is not to be blasphemed

He's getting ass-hacked by Satan's trident

Heaven will never allow entry for roomies' killers.

 

[Carpanesi]

Also a good point. You can see this well in poor people with families. They face hardships, but are ultimately happy and fulfilled emotionally, sexually and socially.

You're assuming a lot for so many cases.

In most poor families the wife's always cheating on the husband with her boss or richer men. I wouldn't call it happiness - More like "blissful ignorance".

Richer people have higher IQ and knowledge to know better anyway.

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

He's getting ass-hacked by Satan's trident

Heaven will never allow entry for roomies' killers.

Satan isn't real

But if Satan was real, it'd be a foid, and she would only ass-hack Chad

 

[RandomGuy]

Life for men in modern time is constant shit after shit.

 

[Carpanesi]

Satan isn't real

But if Satan was real, it'd be a foid, and she would only ass-hack Chad

ER is getting rammed either way. No rest for the wicked.

 

[Lonelyus]

 

[Uncle Death]

I side with carpanesi on this one. Self improvemnt for yourself are great, just dont overdue it. You are a total retard if you do that

 

[lemon21]

See, there's your problem - You ASSUME you "need" a girlfriend to enjoy life or to go along with you when you travel. Men can meet a lot of women traveling, so it can make it even easier to get a companion and even sex.

So we do agree that to enjoy travelling you need a companion, be a girlfriend or not. So we come to the same point again. Why would any girl would be interested in travelling with you other than to freeload off of you? If that's the case she's just a gold digger and no person enjoyable to be around.

Speaking of "disingenuous", try buying food and paying rent without money.

I fail to see how this is relevant. We are talking about self-improving and getting enough money to live the "dream life", If by dream life you have to think about rent and food then you have other things to worry about.

Family is often the first to backstab you if they find out you're different from them.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Sure you can have a shitty family, in fact most incels do.

I disagree. I'm moderately happy with my situation rn. I'm working out on a way to get a better job that isn't part time (that's why I don't post consistently) and get more money to travel around south america. I also escort when I feel I want to. This setting helped me a lot controlling my anxiety, and I'm much happier than I was 3/4 months ago.

I'm happy you're able to improve your life with money. I had an interest in escorts before, but i just can't bring myself to pay ridiculous prices to be with a women when a majority of the world can get that for free.
If it were only that i would just be unwilling but it's not just that, i feel like having sex with an escort who can have STDs and by the use of a condom it won't be as plesurable as it would be with a friend with benefits or a girlfriend. From people that i know IRL the experience is completely different.

I signed up mostly to discuss escorting with other escortcels but I also talk to everyone else. I don't think striving to be better makes me less incel than anyone else, in fact I'm positive that many here have a much worse situation than me, so I'll never talk down to others or brag about anything.

That's fine. But you go on too strong with your red pilled mentality. It's 100% great that you want to self-improve and hope to reach your goals with that. But i don't think it's fair to just push that mentality to others. People are different and have different needs. Also money can solve a lot of problems, but rich people also kill themselves.

The other side of the coin is that getting money with your time, means that you'll have less time to enjoy the things you like. And allegedly you already can't get women, so you have to slave away your time in the hopes that you won't die and you'll get "rich"? We live in times where everyone and their mother is grinding. How are you supposed to win vs people who were grinding years before you and have a better genetic quality?

I think it's a personal choice. You can grindmaxx if you feel like it and enjoy doing it. But i also feel like you should not be judged to be content with what you have. Life is more often than not dissapointing.

Why you try to gatekeep inceldom? You're just making up excuses to not get better at something, just because it won't help you fuck women. I always recommend others try escorting at least once, because it can be a life-changing experience, just like it was for me. How the hell you take that and turn into an argument about who is and who isn't incel is beyond derailment.

I'm not gatekeeping anything. You replied to me if you feel like a npc villager hard capped that's your problem and nobody else's. I took that as "You may be a villager, but i have better qualities thus i can upgrade myself". If you have that many things to upgrade, then i'm happy for you. But for me, a fucking short midged there's not so much to upgrade, thus my self improvement journey is very limited.

While i say this its not like i don't have goals of my own, and try "hard" to get them. But i'm very self aware of what i can and can't do. And i know for a fact that a lot of things are not gotten thru self-improvement alone.

It's easier to see this when you're surrounded by chads and chadlites. All of them are grind machines. Why? Why? Why? Because it's an investment for them. They have so much to win by investing in their career and appareance, that they do put their 120%. While for us incel looking people, we can't compete and don't even have the motivation to do so.

 

[Uncle Death]

I basically follow buddhism philosophy on the middle path, as for now. If you overdue, you are just torturing yourself. I mean come on life is shitty enough for us, why you got to torture yourself.

also anybody that self improvement to get coochie, you are THE REASON why all of this happening, thank you for being a dumbass. you are making life harder for everyman, and not just that foid whore gf you have can hop on to another chad in just a flick of a second if she start being uninterested to you.

You have to understand, life is already hard enough, fucking do self destruction too in a balance way like thrashing your gf everytime you can.

AND that is boyos why buddhism is most based religion in this goddamn planet.

 

[Uncle Death]

So we do agree that to enjoy travelling you need a companion, be a girlfriend or not. So we come to the same point again. Why would any girl would be interested in travelling with you other than to freeload off of you? If that's the case she's just a gold digger and no person enjoyable to be around.

I fail to see how this is relevant. We are talking about self-improving and getting enough money to live the "dream life", If by dream life you have to think about rent and food then you have other things to worry about.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Sure you can have a shitty family, in fact most incels do.

I'm happy you're able to improve your life with money. I had an interest in escorts before, but i just can't bring myself to pay ridiculous prices to be with a women when a majority of the world can get that for free.
If it were only that i would just be unwilling but it's not just that, i feel like having sex with an escort who can have STDs and by the use of a condom it won't be as plesurable as it would be with a friend with benefits or a girlfriend. From people that i know IRL the experience is completely different.

'kill'

'die'

I think it's a personal choice. You can grindmaxx if you feel like it and enjoy doing it. But i also feel like you should not be judged to be content with what you have. Life is more often than not, just dissapointment.

I'm not gatekeeping anything. You replied to me if you feel like a npc villager hard capped that's your problem and nobody else's. I took that as "You may be a villager, but i have better qualities thus i can upgrade myself". If you have that many things to upgrade, then i'm happy for you. But for me, a fucking short midged there's not so much to upgrade, thus my self improvement journey is very limited.

While i say this its not like i don't have goals of my own, and try "hard" to get them. But i'm very self aware of what i can and can't do. And i know for a fact that a lot of things are not gotten thru self-improvement alone.

It's easier to see this when you're surrounded by chads and chadlites. All of them are grind machines. Why? Why? Why? Because it's an investment for them. They have so much to win by investing in their career and appareance, that they do put their 120%. While for us incel looking people, we can't compete and don't even have the motivation to do so.

travelling is overated, go travel in video game. You dont meet with normies and you can rampage foid anytime you want.

Also not every incel love cochie because they idealized woman soo much, some of us follow schopenhauer ways and only see woman as 'fucking' value

 

[Uncle Death]

Woman are goldigger by definition to all sub 8 and sub 5. Come on be realistic. All woman think its their right to spend mens money, its just how they are. All of them are intermediate children.

 

[Uncle Death]

Woman shouldnt exist honestly, the idea of them is fine like in anime but in the end I dont see them as nothing but fucking value. Their job is for us to fuck them, and we move on to the next foid

 

[Uncle Death]

Thats why I support you people who goes to prostitute, you guys done a good job. No point in dealing with this evil creature, manipulated by them. And then when they cheat on you, you take the rope and hang yourself because of fucking rotten vagina.

See them as nothing but to satisfy your pleasure, thats all there is to woman. Never commited to them, they are loud, behave the same and speak about stupid shit. I rather have a dog accompany me than a foid when I travel.

Also im a misanthrope so hiking is the best thing you can do as a loner, do it and you will felt better.

 

[Uncle Death]

and its not like I can have any social connection with anybody really, having flat affect does that to you

 

[Uncle Death]

the only good woman is a dead woman, if I have the choose between a rottenliving human body and a corpse. I chose a corpse provide thats its still fresh.

 

[Carpanesi]

I side with carpanesi on this one. Self improvemnt for yourself are great, just dont overdue it. You are a total retard if you do that

Yeah, it's better to improve little but consistently than trying to go full SSJ 4 in a week. I feel much better just by doing mild exercise every other day.

But in the end I'm a lazy slob who rather eat less than eat more and exercise

 

[Uncle Death]

Well I have anhedonia basically so I dont have motivation too push myself too far, also when I push myself too far I give up on it, because at that point I just dont care anymore.

I dont really felt long term happiness in anything really.

 

[Uncle Death]

I constanly felt empty inside. Like a corpse walking you know. Well in the its just a symptom of my personality disorder

 

[Uncle Death]

I dont really love my family, they cared about me and all but I just felt nothing

 

[Uncle Death]

Those who have schizoid personality disorder shoutout really. We are just creature that are an alien towards human

 

[Uncle Death]

I cant connect with anybody, it really drove me to despair you know because yeah, its something a human should have but I dont

 

[Uncle Death]

@InMemoriam could relate

 

[Uncle Death]

I cared about my family, its just this things called love just isnt there you know so I cope with an elaborate fantasy world

 

[Carpanesi]

So we do agree that to enjoy travelling you need a companion, be a girlfriend or not. So we come to the same point again. Why would any girl would be interested in travelling with you other than to freeload off of you? If that's the case she's just a gold digger and no person enjoyable to be around.

Precisely the point why traveling alone is king even if you meet others abroad, they'll already either have their fares paid or are living on that country already and don't need to freeload with you.

I fail to see how this is relevant. We are talking about self-improving and getting enough money to live the "dream life", If by dream life you have to think about rent and food then you have other things to worry about.

Not a "dream life". A better life. Better than whatever you have now.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Sure you can have a shitty family, in fact most incels do.

I'm being literal. Family is the first traitor to a man. Expect nothing from them, other than maybe 1 of your parents.

I'm happy you're able to improve your life with money. I had an interest in escorts before, but i just can't bring myself to pay ridiculous prices to be with a women when a majority of the world can get that for free.
If it were only that i would just be unwilling but it's not just that, i feel like having sex with an escort who can have STDs and by the use of a condom it won't be as plesurable as it would be with a friend with benefits or a girlfriend. From people that i know IRL the experience is completely different.

Sex with escorts may be safer than with women from, say, parties - Escort test themselves for STDs, also you go with your "guard up" nonetheless and use condoms, so less chances to grab a STD. With party females, they don't test, they're always drunk, and they fuck chads without condoms.

That's fine. But you go on too strong with your red pilled mentality. It's 100% great that you want to self-improve and hope to reach your goals with that. But i don't think it's fair to just push that mentality to others. People are different and have different needs. Also money can solve a lot of problems, but rich people also kill themselves.

I'm not redpilled. I'm not stupid enough to believe that doing that shit will get me a girlfriend. I care about myself, how I feel. Self improving made me feel much better overall - For me to speak against it, or refuse to defend it's benefits when brought in a conversation, would mean I want others to suffer and not have a chance to feel better like I did.

The other side of the coin is that getting money with your time, means that you'll have less time to enjoy the things you like. And allegedly you already can't get women, so you have to slave away your time in the hopes that you won't die and you'll get "rich"? We live in times where everyone and their mother is grinding. How are you supposed to win vs people who were grinding years before you and have a better genetic quality?

This is stupid because we already waste a lot of time on hobbies, like anime and games. Guess what? Hobbies cost money, a phone or a computer for example... If they break how will you proceed? There's also a constant price we have to pay to survive, rent, food, and so on. Getting better financially helps out with these, as well as the traveling expenses and escorts.

I think it's a personal choice. You can grindmaxx if you feel like it and enjoy doing it. But i also feel like you should not be judged to be content with what you have. Life is more often than not dissapointing.

I agree - No point in judging those who choose to LDAR. But I still think those people should at least try once to excel at something that yield benefits instead of just complaning blindly, like many do.

I'm not gatekeeping anything. You replied to me if you feel like a npc villager hard capped that's your problem and nobody else's. I took that as "You may be a villager, but i have better qualities thus i can upgrade myself". If you have that many things to upgrade, then i'm happy for you. But for me, a fucking short midged there's not so much to upgrade, thus my self improvement journey is very limited.

Then I got it wrong - It's just that it wouldn't be the 1st time here seeing someone trying to "define" inceldom by looks alone. It's possible for average looking guys to be incel - Elliot Rodger had normie looks, and Alek Minassian was considered "good looking" by many.

While i say this its not like i don't have goals of my own, and try "hard" to get them. But i'm very self aware of what i can and can't do. And i know for a fact that a lot of things are not gotten thru self-improvement alone.

I still don't think that's a fair excuse - It's some sort of "slippery slope": If you can't have it all, then you wouldn't even try to have something.

Think about stumbling on a vault with a ton of gold in the middle of the desert. The gold is free for the taking, but once you leave you won't be able to find your way back to the vault.

Would you rather pick as much as you can carry on your pockets and backpack and still be able to walk the desert (say, around 15 kg), or do you pick nothing, and go away ranting because you can't carry all the gold with you?

It's easier to see this when you're surrounded by chads and chadlites. All of them are grind machines. Why? Why? Why? Because it's an investment for them. They have so much to win by investing in their career and appareance, that they do put their 120%. While for us incel looking people, we can't compete and don't even have the motivation to do so.

Chads don't self improve, they're improved by others, they receive all the attention from teachers and parents.

And since jobs are becoming more and more virtualized, those with worse looks will see less and less disadvantages.

 

[Uncle Death]

Precisely the point why traveling alone is king even if you meet others abroad, they'll already either have their fares paid or are living on that country already and don't need to freeload with you.

Not a "dream life". A better life. Better than whatever you have now.

I'm being literal. Family is the first traitor to a man. Expect nothing from them, other than maybe 1 of your parents.

Sex with escorts may be safer than with women from, say, parties - Escort test themselves for STDs, also you go with your "guard up" nonetheless and use condoms, so less chances to grab a STD. With party females, they don't test, they're always drunk, and they fuck chads without condoms.

I'm not redpilled. I'm not stupid enough to believe that doing that shit will get me a girlfriend. I care about myself, how I feel. Self improving made me feel much better overall - For me to speak against it, or refuse to defend it's benefits when brought in a conversation, would mean I want others to suffer and not have a chance to feel better like I did.

This is stupid because we already waste a lot of time on hobbies, like anime and games. Guess what? Hobbies cost money, a phone or a computer for example... If they break how will you proceed? There's also a constant price we have to pay to survive, rent, food, and so on. Getting better financially helps out with these, as well as the traveling expenses and escorts.

I agree - No point in judging those who choose to LDAR. But I still think those people should at least try once to excel at something that yield benefits instead of just complaning blindly, like many do.

'good'

I still don't think that's a fair excuse - It's some sort of "slippery slope": If you can't have it all, then you wouldn't even try to have something.

Think about stumbling on a vault with a ton of gold in the middle of the desert. The gold is free for the taking, but once you leave you won't be able to find your way back to the vault.

Would you rather pick as much as you can carry on your pockets and backpack and still be able to walk the desert (say, around 15 kg), or do you pick nothing, and go away ranting because you can't carry all the gold with you?


Chads don't self improve, they're improved by others, they receive all the attention from teachers and parents.

And since jobs are becoming more and more virtualized, those with worse looks will see less and less disadvantages.

how do you do it? How do you endure career jobs and workout at the same time? Need advice.

 

[Uncle Death]

Precisely the point why traveling alone is king even if you meet others abroad, they'll already either have their fares paid or are living on that country already and don't need to freeload with you.

Not a "dream life". A better life. Better than whatever you have now.

I'm being literal. Family is the first traitor to a man. Expect nothing from them, other than maybe 1 of your parents.

Sex with escorts may be safer than with women from, say, parties - Escort test themselves for STDs, also you go with your "guard up" nonetheless and use condoms, so less chances to grab a STD. With party females, they don't test, they're always drunk, and they fuck chads without condoms.

I'm not redpilled. I'm not stupid enough to believe that doing that shit will get me a girlfriend. I care about myself, how I feel. Self improving made me feel much better overall - For me to speak against it, or refuse to defend it's benefits when brought in a conversation, would mean I want others to suffer and not have a chance to feel better like I did.

This is stupid because we already waste a lot of time on hobbies, like anime and games. Guess what? Hobbies cost money, a phone or a computer for example... If they break how will you proceed? There's also a constant price we have to pay to survive, rent, food, and so on. Getting better financially helps out with these, as well as the traveling expenses and escorts.

I agree - No point in judging those who choose to LDAR. But I still think those people should at least try once to excel at something that yield benefits instead of just complaning blindly, like many do.

'good'

I still don't think that's a fair excuse - It's some sort of "slippery slope": If you can't have it all, then you wouldn't even try to have something.

Think about stumbling on a vault with a ton of gold in the middle of the desert. The gold is free for the taking, but once you leave you won't be able to find your way back to the vault.

Would you rather pick as much as you can carry on your pockets and backpack and still be able to walk the desert (say, around 15 kg), or do you pick nothing, and go away ranting because you can't carry all the gold with you?


Chads don't self improve, they're improved by others, they receive all the attention from teachers and parents.

And since jobs are becoming more and more virtualized, those with worse looks will see less and less disadvantages.

must be nice to be able to focus on a goal. An adhdcel like me struggle alot with this

 

[Uncle Death]

Precisely the point why traveling alone is king even if you meet others abroad, they'll already either have their fares paid or are living on that country already and don't need to freeload with you.

Not a "dream life". A better life. Better than whatever you have now.

I'm being literal. Family is the first traitor to a man. Expect nothing from them, other than maybe 1 of your parents.

Sex with escorts may be safer than with women from, say, parties - Escort test themselves for STDs, also you go with your "guard up" nonetheless and use condoms, so less chances to grab a STD. With party females, they don't test, they're always drunk, and they fuck chads without condoms.

I'm not redpilled. I'm not stupid enough to believe that doing that shit will get me a girlfriend. I care about myself, how I feel. Self improving made me feel much better overall - For me to speak against it, or refuse to defend it's benefits when brought in a conversation, would mean I want others to suffer and not have a chance to feel better like I did.

This is stupid because we already waste a lot of time on hobbies, like anime and games. Guess what? Hobbies cost money, a phone or a computer for example... If they break how will you proceed? There's also a constant price we have to pay to survive, rent, food, and so on. Getting better financially helps out with these, as well as the traveling expenses and escorts.

I agree - No point in judging those who choose to LDAR. But I still think those people should at least try once to excel at something that yield benefits instead of just complaning blindly, like many do.

'good'

I still don't think that's a fair excuse - It's some sort of "slippery slope": If you can't have it all, then you wouldn't even try to have something.

Think about stumbling on a vault with a ton of gold in the middle of the desert. The gold is free for the taking, but once you leave you won't be able to find your way back to the vault.

Would you rather pick as much as you can carry on your pockets and backpack and still be able to walk the desert (say, around 15 kg), or do you pick nothing, and go away ranting because you can't carry all the gold with you?


Chads don't self improve, they're improved by others, they receive all the attention from teachers and parents.

And since jobs are becoming more and more virtualized, those with worse looks will see less and less disadvantages.

the opposite for me, my family were the one with me when I was a total shut in. My friend just dont care, I talk to them about my problem and they called me attention seekers, I mean I aint expecting much from people, but yeah people are dissapointing.

 

[lifefuel]

Yes. Self improvement is mostly applicable to women. But since we have a cucked society most people simply redirect their condescending, virtue signaling self-improvement narratives to men. Women are considered to be complete works and inherently valuable.

 

[Spooky_Heejin]

Telling all men that they need to self improve to even have a chance of getting a women, like all normies do, is very misandrist. It implies that everything you are, your character, personality, your achievements, your values and morals are not good enough. And of course no amount of improvement will ever be enough because all people are naturally flawed. This creates an endless cycle of self improvement where all men are constantly told "You are not good enough! You need to be better!". It doesn't even stop when you get a girlfriend or wife. They will always come up with something their male partner needs to improve on.

The same things isn't true for women. Women never get told that they need to be better, behave better, lose weight, develop character, not be a toxic piece of shit. If you're a women, whatever you are, whatever you've done, you are perfect . All this increases their already high narcissism level and we get to live with these unstoppable, entitled, vile beings that never take 'no' for an answer and think they are God's gift to the world.

All this is extremely misandrist, especially because women are the ones who would benefit the most from self improvement: they have waaay more room to grow and be better people and attractive female traits can be achieved by going to the gym. Attractive male traits are mostly genetic, like good face and being tall. These can't be achieved through self improvement.

Exactly brocel. I hate people who give me self-improvement advice. It's like they're looking down at me and it gives them a position of power.

 

[ezio6]

Touch water

 

[TBIcel]

Self improvement is legit advice (if you are minimum high tier normies probably chadlite as a min for certain nations)

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

Yes, and most people say the blackpill is bullshit despite the tons of scientifical and behavioral evidence that supports it. In the end, people believe what confirms their own set of beliefs (confirmation bias)

This was mostly a semantics discussion. I never meant improving yourself for yourself. I don't believe in that. Biggest motivations for improving yourself are external.

Women beauty doesn't rely on muscle tone. In fact women who get more muscle often are considered more ugly by most males. I can't consider getting buffed up "improvement" for females.

It doesn't, but it helps. Nothing better than a great ass in tight jeans. Girls will just get a great body if they work out. They won't become very muscular because that takes a lot of work and commitment

Think it the other way: If it exists and there is nothing you can do to stop/reduce it's effects, what's the point of worrying about it? I gave up on society long ago. You could, too.

I was criticizing it. It's one of the many hardships men have to face.

Can't argue this. I'm in my early 20's but I don't think life is "over" at 35. Still, studying and pursuing a career with a better pay is not some impossible thing to do. Many can get better jobs despite being ugly and sometimes even dumb. I'm putting massive effort into it - I'm sure I'll succeed at some point.

I said 35 because by then your youth is over. The time for reinventing yourself is over, if you hadn't had some previous success before.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Telling all men that they need to self improve to even have a chance of getting a women, like all normies do, is very misandrist. It implies that everything you are, your character, personality, your achievements, your values and morals are not good enough. And of course no amount of improvement will ever be enough because all people are naturally flawed. This creates an endless cycle of self improvement where all men are constantly told "You are not good enough! You need to be better!". It doesn't even stop when you get a girlfriend or wife. They will always come up with something their male partner needs to improve on.

The same things isn't true for women. Women never get told that they need to be better, behave better, lose weight, develop character, not be a toxic piece of shit. If you're a women, whatever you are, whatever you've done, you are perfect . All this increases their already high narcissism level and we get to live with these unstoppable, entitled, vile beings that never take 'no' for an answer and think they are God's gift to the world.

All this is extremely misandrist, especially because women are the ones who would benefit the most from self improvement: they have waaay more room to grow and be better people and attractive female traits can be achieved by going to the gym. Attractive male traits are mostly genetic, like good face and being tall. These can't be achieved through self improvement.

My female me is model tier but a fat retard rainbow haired can tell me to improve myself and has higher smv than me

 

[nystagmuscel]

It's fucking everywhere too

But never see any self improvement directed towards woman

 

[Zozizo]

you have to improve while they just exist but were equal you know

 

[SlayerSlayer]

YOU ARE A MISOGYNIST

 

[mknova]

Telling all men that they need to self improve to even have a chance of getting a women, like all normies do, is very misandrist. It implies that everything you are, your character, personality, your achievements, your values and morals are not good enough. And of course no amount of improvement will ever be enough because all people are naturally flawed. This creates an endless cycle of self improvement where all men are constantly told "You are not good enough! You need to be better!". It doesn't even stop when you get a girlfriend or wife. They will always come up with something their male partner needs to improve on.

The same things isn't true for women. Women never get told that they need to be better, behave better, lose weight, develop character, not be a toxic piece of shit. If you're a women, whatever you are, whatever you've done, you are perfect . All this increases their already high narcissism level and we get to live with these unstoppable, entitled, vile beings that never take 'no' for an answer and think they are God's gift to the world.

All this is extremely misandrist, especially because women are the ones who would benefit the most from self improvement: they have waaay more room to grow and be better people and attractive female traits can be achieved by going to the gym. Attractive male traits are mostly genetic, like good face and being tall. These can't be achieved through self improvement.

 

[IceMan2000]

But never see any self improvement directed towards woman

At most its a skincare routine and weight loss. That is it. And they have the gall to complain about standards.

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

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LoL , nice one!

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

My female me is model tier but a fat retard rainbow haired can tell me to improve myself and has higher smv than me

Yeah, mine too. It's BS.

YOU ARE A MISOGYNIST

At most its a skincare routine and weight loss. That is it. And they have the gall to complain about standards.

This is also what I believe. Light self-improvement at best.

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

you have to improve while they just exist but were equal you know

And your improvements are never enough. If they happen to do it they could increase SMV by a lot.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Yeah, mine too. It's BS.

I tried several apps lol. Fem me is stacy model. If i was born with CAIS i would be living in a total different dimension, probably same if i trannymaxxed LoL. I would mog 99% of foids if it wasn’t for male sexual maturation making me autisticel. Apparently tho i have to improve.

I hope more and more incels trannymaxx and destroy foid sports and spaces

 

[Carpanesi]

This was mostly a semantics discussion. I never meant improving yourself for yourself. I don't believe in that. Biggest motivations for improving yourself are external.

This is a lie, because people improve in order to reap benefits for themselves. No one improves just to make others feel better - we improve to feel better ourselves, to earn more, to learn more and use stuff in a way that benefits US

It doesn't, but it helps. Nothing better than a great ass in tight jeans. Girls will just get a great body if they work out. They won't become very muscular because that takes a lot of work and commitment

You should ask around more.Most men dislike kind of shit - It's keeping in the proper weight that does the trick, and the gym isn't needed for that. Those tight-ass and boobs are only "howled" at because men feel the need to say they feel attracted publicly. See if they marry those bimbos... they don't.

Even females dislike buffed up dudes. They'll much rather pick by height and face symmetry than muscle tone.

In fact almost every male would always pick a "becky-bodied" girl instead of a gym-goer for relationships.

I was criticizing it. It's one of the many hardships men have to face.

But it still makes no sense to criticize/burrhurt about something that can't be changed!

Guess what, I hate gravity and the fact that I can't fly. Should I spend days lamenting this, or just accept I can't change and buy better shoes instead?

I said 35 because by then your youth is over. The time for reinventing yourself is over, if you hadn't had some previous success before.

That would be true if we were in the medieval ages were people weren't expected to live much

Today people hit the 90yo mark quite consistently unless they eat too much trash and don't exercise at all, or abuse substances.

35 is like a third of ppl lifespan in 1sr world countries and you can use knowledge you have to pursue better stuff for yourself, sure beats not being young but still makes no sense tossing away potentially 60+ years just because it's harder to keep up.

 

[Carpanesi]

Self improvement implies it’s my fault and I will not tolerate that

It's more like "If you want to reap something, you have to plant it and not others".

Depending on others for sustenance when you can provide for yourself is kinda cucked

 

[Carpanesi]

the opposite for me, my family were the one with me when I was a total shut in. My friend just dont care, I talk to them about my problem and they called me attention seekers, I mean I aint expecting much from people, but yeah people are dissapointing.

Then you're an exception, most families just bash more and more like it's always our own fault we can't get stuff like others.

 

[Carpanesi]

how do you do it? How do you endure career jobs and workout at the same time? Need advice.

I don't have a carrer job lol I have a menial part time job, but since I live with parents and have no need to pay expenses (they don't care much) all I earn can be considered pocket money