Serious Stop comparing male "volcels" to femcels

[Copexodius Maximus]

Who says gays aren't born gay? And doesn't get laughed out of science, or whatever happens to people who present ideas that conflict with the rest of science?

I never said gays are or aren't born gay, I said that the science isn't clear on when exactly our sexual attraction for different sex traits arise. This is the same as a "fetish", as we don't know when sexual attraction for things like feet arise, and how.

I just said you can use porn or fantasy as a fluffer FFS, it's obviously possible.


I believe memes (life experiences, nurture, teaching, etc.) can influence any kind of preference, be it a fetish for feet or a fetish for cock.

There's no reason to think there's any major difference there.

You can of course also have inborne genetic predispositions like a man with girl hormones that make his brain think like a girl so he becomes a tranny and/or fag because he feels womanly in one respect or another.

It's not an either/or though, it all adds up and multiplies.


That's one factor that could have contributed to it for some, but I'm not sure what %

You could just as easily argue that foids are mostly born lesbian and then get turned straight by getting raped by men, so I don't know we'd test such theories.



Or just realize you can approach explanations from both causes in synergy.

I was using the whole nature vs environment argument to compare to how fetishes arise, cause he claims things like foot fetishes are taught somehow, and not comparable to homosexuality, and I said that's not true and that it is also not cut and dry.

And if you need porn to fantasize being with a fat chick to get a hard on, and saying you are volcel if you won't do that is silly. Sex is a full body experience (according to escortcels) and enjoying the person's body is not comparable to porn in that way (which is what you are implying you should do if you can't get it up for a fat chick).

 

[FrothySolutions]

I never said gays are or aren't born gay, I said that the science isn't clear on when exactly our sexual attraction for different sex traits arise. This is the same as a "fetish", as we don't know when sexual attraction for things like feet arise, and how.

But science says it is clear. You're definitely born with your sexuality towards boys, girls, or both. Is there anyone respected today who says "Maybe not?"

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

But science says it is clear. You're definitely born with your sexuality towards boys, girls, or both. Is there anyone respected today who says "Maybe not?"

Who says it is? No biologist has said you are born with a sexuality, the only ones who say that are left wing nut jobs who are using biological determinism to try to make homosexuality more accepted (and it a bad argument). Kids aren't sexually attracted to things at birth, I tried to look for any new research for counterexamples but couldn't find anything.

Btw, I just realized what I typed in google has now put me on a FBI blacklist. It's over for me.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Who says it is? No biologist has said you are born with a sexuality, the only ones who say that are left wing nut jobs who are using biological determinism to try to make homosexuality more accepted (and it a bad argument). Kids aren't sexually attracted to things at birth, I tried to look for any new research for counterexamples but couldn't find anything.

Btw, I just realized what I typed in google has now put me on a FBI blacklist. It's over for me.

you being on this forum put you on a watchlist

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

you being on this forum put you on a watchlist

At least someone is watching me now, I hope it's a female FBI agent. With my luck, it's probably a dude.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Who says it is? No biologist has said you are born with a sexuality, the only ones who say that are left wing nut jobs who are using biological determinism to try to make homosexuality more accepted (and it a bad argument). Kids aren't sexually attracted to things at birth, I tried to look for any new research for counterexamples but couldn't find anything.

Btw, I just realized what I typed in google has now put me on a FBI blacklist. It's over for me.

But if you aren't born with your sexuality and it is taught, then volceldom is absolutely real. Because all sexuality can be taught. And it invalidates the "No gay stuff" rule of this forum. Because if you're not born with your sexuality, there's nothing saying you must be straight.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

But if you aren't born with your sexuality and it is taught, then volceldom is absolutely real. Because all sexuality can be taught. And it invalidates the "No gay stuff" rule of this forum. Because if you're not born with your sexuality, there's nothing saying you must be straight.

so why isn't being gay a choice?

 

[FrothySolutions]

so why isn't being gay a choice?

I still say it's not a choice, any more than being straight is a choice. Which is why if someone comes along and says "Hey incel, why don't you try very pretty boys," they get banned on the grounds that they're trying to change a part of me I was born with.

But if it IS a choice, then you can choose to like fat chicks too.

 

[Dregster]

In order for a man to have sex, he must be aroused and get an erection.

In order for a female to have sex.... nothing.

Not wanting a landwhale doesn't make you volcel, it doesn't. If you can't get your dick hard to a woman, you're not a volcel for not fucking her, period.

Stop being idiots and trying to divide the incel community.

this retarded behavior reminds me of this based post about the dumb term "mentalcel"
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Landwhales are disgusting.

I have absolutely nothing against incels who can't get an erection. Only high T males who can get a boner for anything could be considered volcels.

so why isn't being gay a choice?

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Landwhales are disgusting.

I have absolutely nothing against incels who can't get an erection. Only high T males who can get a boner for anything could be considered volcels.

tnkanjs, you need to be at least a 5/10 to be "volcel" and even at 5/10, there will be some struggles. although to what degree is debateable

that was a designed counterargument. i'm not encouraging faggotry

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

I still say it's not a choice, any more than being straight is a choice. Which is why if someone comes along and says "Hey incel, why don't you try very pretty boys," they get banned on the grounds that they're trying to change a part of me I was born with.

But if it IS a choice, then you can choose to like fat chicks too.

You aren't born gay, I don't believe that there's no evidence for sexuality developing that early. I don't see it as any different than a fetish, because you develop a fetish just like the gender you are into (with genetic and environmental factors).

But if you aren't born with your sexuality and it is taught, then volceldom is absolutely real. Because all sexuality can be taught. And it invalidates the "No gay stuff" rule of this forum. Because if you're not born with your sexuality, there's nothing saying you must be straight.

Just because you are not born with it, doesn't mean it can be taught with any known way. I think it develops during our developmental years at some point and is influenced by environmental factors. This is like gay conversion therapy, there's no known way to change someone's sexuality, and when it does change it is pretty random like brain injuries making people into pedophiles or something when they weren't before. Same thing with fat chicks, you'd probably need to get hit in the head to be attracted to that if you were previously repulsed by the idea.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Just because you are not born with it, doesn't mean it can be taught with any known way. I think it develops during our developmental years at some point and is influenced by environmental factors. This is like gay conversion therapy, there's no known way to change someone's sexuality, and when it does change it is pretty random like brain injuries making people into pedophiles or something when they weren't before. Same thing with fat chicks, you'd probably need to get hit in the head to be attracted to that if you were previously repulsed by the idea.

That's what "taught" means. You experience life, and life shapes these feelings in you.

This is like gay conversion therapy, there's no known way to change someone's sexuality, and when it does change it is pretty random like brain injuries making people into pedophiles or something when they weren't before. Same thing with fat chicks, you'd probably need to get hit in the head to be attracted to that if you were previously repulsed by the idea.

You don't need to be hit in the head. If "environmental factors" made you gay, "environmental factors" should be able to make you straight.

 

[Deleted member 25707]

If you can't get an erection, it means you don't want it. And if you simply don't "want" to have sex when it's offered to you, that's volceldom. Choosing to be picky is your fault.

Nah I disagree. I can't get erection to men and will never fuck gays so thst doesn't make me a volcel.
But the fact is that most of us will find 99% of them sexually attractive. No coping around it.

 

[FrothySolutions]

Nah I disagree. I can't get erection to men and will never fuck gays so thst doesn't make me a volcel.
But the fact is that most of us will find 99% of them sexually attractive. No coping around it.

Fucking men is not the same as fucking unattractive women. Your gayness or straightness is something you're born with. And if I'm wrong about that, then your disdain for fat chicks is a matter of choice. You can just develop an appreciation for it.

 

[Deleted member 25707]

Fucking men is not the same as fucking unattractive women. Your gayness or straightness is something you're born with. And if I'm wrong about that, then your disdain for fat chicks is a matter of choice. You can just develop an appreciation for it.

Well I can also develop an appreciation for MtF trannys too right?

We are discussing hypotheticals here. Hardly anyone(I'm talking about legit TFL Incels) will reject a 2 or 3 foid plus the 1s and morbidly obese ones are less than 1% of the population

 

[FrothySolutions]

Well I can also develop an appreciation for MtF trannys too right?

We are discussing hypotheticals here. Hardly anyone(I'm talking about legit TFL Incels) will reject a 2 or 3 foid plus the 1s and morbidly obese ones are less than 1% of the population

Can you? I don't think you can. But people suddenly wanna be like "Nah, you're not born with gayness, you learn to be gay because of environmental influences." Which cheapens sexuality entirely. This thing that was supposed to be unchanging.

And we're discussing what it means to be volcel. You might think a 2 or a 3 is "fair." But that's subjective. We're talking about the objective definition of what volceldom is. And it means voluntarily refusing sex you could just choose to have.

 

[Deleted member 25707]

Can you? I don't think you can. But people suddenly wanna be like "Nah, you're not born with gayness, you learn to be gay because of environmental influences." Which cheapens sexuality entirely. This thing that was supposed to be unchanging.

And we're discussing what it means to be volcel. You might think a 2 or a 3 is "fair." But that's subjective. We're talking about the objective definition of what volceldom is. And it means voluntarily refusing sex you could just choose to have.

You are right.
If you reject a female( regardless of her face and size) that does make you a volcel ( technically).

Some might say "oh I only accept looksmatch" "only 4+" these things are very subjective. A 4 for one can be an 8 for someone else.

If you reject a female you are volcel.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

You are right.
If you reject a female( regardless of her face and size) that does make you a volcel ( technically).

Some might say "oh I only accept looksmatch" "only 4+" these things are very subjective. A 4 for one can be an 8 for someone else.

If you reject a female you are volcel.

if you don't go on grindr you're volcel

 

[Deleted member 25707]

if you don't go on grindr you're volcel

your lack of intelligence never cease to amaze me

You are right.
If you reject a female( regardless of her face and size) that does make you a volcel ( technically).

Some might say "oh I only accept looksmatch" "only 4+" these things are very subjective. A 4 for one can be an 8 for someone else.

If you reject a female you are volcel.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

your lack of intelligence never cease to amaze me

nope, you are moving the goalposts to satisfy your victim mentality
read it and weep

just take viagra to fuck a woman you're disgusted by theory

 

[Deleted member 25707]

nope, you are moving the goalposts to satisfy your victim mentality
read it and weep
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just take viagra to fuck a woman you're disgusted by theory

Okay tell me this

• have you ever been approached by a 1/10 subhuman obese woman?

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Okay tell me this

• have you ever been approached by a 1/10 subhuman obese woman?

no, i'm ugly, you saw my pics

 

[MentalistKebab]

because men are naturally repelled by obesity.

Your opinion nigga.

I been doing nofap for almost 6 month and bar is lower than my chance of becoming millionaire

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Your opinion nigga.

I been doing nofap for almost 6 month and bar is lower than my chance of becoming millionaire

no fap is insanity

go fuck a landwhale bro. your choice

 

[MentalistKebab]

go fuck a landwhale bro. your choice

Not really, remember the name of this forum

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Not really, remember the name of this forum

true tbh

i'm below average anyway, but i wouldn't fuck a whale if it was handed to me on a silver platter

 

[MentalistKebab]

true tbh

i'm below average anyway, but i wouldn't fuck a whale if it was handed to me on a silver platter

I would at this point, but I still dont have a place the fuck her .

 

[Deleted member 23682]

I would at this point, but I still dont have a place the fuck her .

your parents aren't willing to let you fuck in your house?

brutal

 

[MentalistKebab]

your parents aren't willing to let you fuck in your house?

brutal

Idk man, never asked, but I dont remember them doing something I like in the past 5 years

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

That's what "taught" means. You experience life, and life shapes these feelings in you.



You don't need to be hit in the head. If "environmental factors" made you gay, "environmental factors" should be able to make you straight.

Ah fair enough, although I don't think you consciously learn anything, you just develop in certain ways from unconscious cues. It doesn't necassarily mean it is reversible. Just like how you learn language at a young age and if you miss the that developmental period, its almost impossible for you to ever learn a language. Environmental factors lead us to be able to understand, think, and talk in English, but that doesn't mean that environmental factors can be used to make not be able to do it anymore. The foundations of the building are already made, it will be very difficult to change it after it is already done, hence why brain injury is one of the few ways that is possible.

 

[Deleted member 23944]

But science says it is clear. You're definitely born with your sexuality towards boys, girls, or both. Is there anyone respected today who says "Maybe not?"

Homosexuality is mostly environmental a recent study has pretty much proved as much although that includes a lot of early birth/prenatal environmental factors stuff and things of the sort which is not in one's control.

'Gay gene' ruled out as huge study shows environment is major factor in homosexuality

Genes play just a small role in whether a person is gay, scientists have found, after discovering that environment has a far bigger impact on homosexuality.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior

Analysis of half a million people suggests genetics may have a limited contribution to sexual orientation

www.scientificamerican.com

I think you underestimate the impact that propaganda can have on people. Were the people on /r9k/ always like that?

The people coming here are doing so for a reason. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some nefarious higher-up actors that push cuck, gay, and trans stuff in communities like this one honestly.

It's still not a "choice" per say but I think circumstances + consumption of propaganda can absolutely lead to that stuff.