No... again... that's the technical know-how. The emotional maturity is necessary for the ramifications of doing that. There's a difference between knowing how to do something, and dealing with doing that something.
Why do some guys, even on here, defend teenage girls?
No... again... that's the technical know-how. The emotional maturity is necessary for the ramifications of doing that. There's a difference between knowing how to do something, and dealing with doing that something.
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Teenagers have sex all the time and usually nothing happens
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He's trying to tell you that there's a big difference between having knowledge of something and having the wisdom to properly understand the consequences of applying that knowledge.
Teenagers (and most adults, for that matter) don't think about, let alone plan for, two steps ahead.
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Teens DO understand the consequences
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A very small number probably do. The average teenager doesn't have the forethought, intelligence, or life experience to anticipate all of the things that could wrong and make contingency plans for any serious potential eventuality that may arise from their impulsive and hormonal decisions.
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Actually many teens use condoms and birth control and know the consequences. You’re just listening to inaccurate stereotypes
and many adults have one night stands and get STDs
Brutal. Similar story whilst i was at university. Such rope fuel
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its a myth to prevent young girls from being with older men
No, those teenagers become maladjusted. They live unhealthy lifestyles. Not treating sex with gravity is itself unhealthy.
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Exactly. Most teens always know the consequences of sex and know how to handle it
No they usually live normal lives
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Sure, they're taught in sex ed classes to use birth control and protection. They're just doing what they're told. That's a far cry from having an understanding of the long-term implications of decisions and actions.
Their prefrontal cortices - the part of the brain responsible for long-term planning and impulse control - are still growing and not even fully developed. They're cognitively and developmentally not mature enough to be able to fully understand the consequences.
The point you're making about how they actually do understand the consequences is invalidated by what we know about the brain's development and growth.
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So? a guy at 22 isn’t fully developed in the brain and 22 year olds always have drunk sex and one night stands. Teens DO know the consequences of sex and they use birth control condoms etc and nothing bad happens. They don’t do it because they’re told to it’s because they know they should
Someone give me a tldr, I'm not reading this thread.
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Man, you're like a broken record.
I literally just explained to you why what you're saying is false and that they can't fully understand the consequences of their actions. That they continue to engage in said action without any negative consequence is not evidence that they're capable of understanding the consequences.
If you object to what I'm saying, please go and look at the literature for yourself in developmental psychology and neuroscience. There might be brand new evidence that refutes older findings (I haven't checked for specifically this topic), but as far as I know, my knowledge is still accurate.
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u don’t need a super developed brain to understand consequences
if you can understand the rules of driving you can understand consequences of sex
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There are two main camps.
One side says that teenagers are fully capable of understanding the consequences of getting into a relationship, and that they should be treated as adults in doing so.
The other side says that teenagers are not mature enough (developmentally), and as a consequence are susceptible to potential manipulation by an older male, ~25 years of age, and therefore should not be treated as adults in such a relationship.
This otherside sounds like a cucktear alt.
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the second is caused by a gynocentric society that wants all girls to be sluts
Its a stereotype - you have watched too many hollywood movies for normies. Here is how typical russians look like(before vodka poisoning):
Typical russian girl is attractive because typical russian boy is generally ok-tier(gene pool is always shared between male and females), before he started heavily crushing his looks with drugs, alcohol, sh*t food(obesity), etc.
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Bro, I'm running out of patience.
Nobody said anything about a super developed brain. Where the fuck did you get that idea? I'm talking about a normal, fully developed, adult brain.
This thinking is so wrong and faulty that I don't even know where to begin, so I'll ask you instead to lay it out for us.
Please explain to all of us how learning the operation of a motor vehicle translates directly to an understanding of social and sexual relationship dynamics, which entails the complete comprehension of the potential consequences (some life-changing) of the act of sexual intercourse.
My curiosity is burning at this point.
I'm holding my breath for some mind-bending 5-D logic here. Don't disappoint.
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Every teen knows what STDs are and what pregnancy is and most use condoms and birth control. They usually are responsible
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I'm in the second camp. (Fuck you, don't even say it. kek)
Also, don't be a lazy fucker. Read the damn thread for the reasons and arguments.
Ok what the fuck kind of coping is going on in this thread. Teenage foids are still foids and are hardwired to fuck chad. It's like saying cockroach eggs are innocent and have not infested your house yet.
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This is truly just a failure of understanding for you at this point, friend.
We're at a roadblock. You're not making any arguments and are simply just repeating yourself. We can't move forward in the discussion.
I don't think anybody is saying that they're "innocent" (at least, I'm not). The point of contention stems from the categorical treatment of the teenager in the teenager-adult relationship.
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Young adults have STDs and one night stands they aren’t different from a teen
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It's OK, brocel, don't worry about it.
Oh, yeah, those middle pictures (2 and 3) of both the men and women are definitely Russian phenotype. Every Russian I've met looks something similar to that.
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Seriously, go and read Dale Carnegie's book, and another book on body language to give yourself a foundational understanding of what I'm talking about. Read a book on business negotiation, while you're at it.
Don't be ignorant and dismiss everything you don't know as red pilled or whatever. It's extremely low IQ, brocel.
And please, stop saying that a teenager has the same level of ability to manipulate people as a 25 year old. It's abject stupidity.
Actually based on the time of their lives a teenage boy can more easily manipulate a teenage girl, because he has more importance and influence within her small little world, especially in the school environment
I already discussed such a scenario in this thread with somebody else who was basically arguing some "protec dah yung womenz" BS
I'll leave it outside of the quote box so you can respond more easily:
Lets say we have a 16 year old Chad highschool jock and a 16 year old ex-fat girl who is part of the glee club or some other unpopular club, he is only now trying to have sex with her because she's no longer fat, he's had girls in the past, he knows what to say and he's in a position of high status, how is that any different than a man in his late 20's approaching the girl, I'd argue teen chad has more influence of that girl that the man in his 20's, the jock is more important within her "sphere of influence" as he is "popular" in her small little world of highschool
At the same time though, she just wants to fuck him because he's popular, or fuck the guy in his 20's because he's good looking and/or can buy her things, why is "manipulation" even an issue, when manipulation is inherent to every interaction
We all want something, and we all leverage other peoples wants, use certain words, leave out details, etc in various aspects of our lives to get what we want, how come when manipulation relates to sex now its taboo, but we can do it with every other fucking thing in life and we act like its normal?
Like I said before and I'll keep saying, sex is just a sensitive issue, so we create arbitrary rules around it
You see as a society we label MURDER as something CLEAR CUT and SIMPLE, because were comfortable with physical violence and death as a species, that's just a fact, its the reason why porn on tv would be seen as weird but I can purchase multiple MMA channels to watch guys beat eachother to a pulp or enjoy violent movies, things get censored, banned, and blocked off when it comes to sex because SEX is something we label as NOT CLEAR CUT and COMPLICATED, because sex makes everyone uncomfortable
In what sense are they incapable, please be specific, I don't see whats so complicated about sex and relationships that they magically become incapable when they are teens, yet if they fuck and date other teens its now simple and not complicated, let me remind you a lot of "teens" in the past were mothers and took care of entire households, so how do they magically become complete invalids in the realm of sex and relationships just because we changed a few laws?
All your arguments just sound like an appeal to authority and you asserting your're right because - "well today my perspective is asserted as right", its NPC tier thinking, its like you don't realize you only believe what you believe because you were raised to believe these things
Guys like you always prove what I say about VBS (Vestigial Blue pill Syndrome)
Many Incels/Black Pillers Alike Are Suffering With Vestigial Bluepill Syndrome (VBS)?
What is this ailment might you ask, look here: A lot of these guys here haven't truly accepted they are incel, they are still very blue pilled, they are playing around with the black pill in their mouth, tasting it but never willing to swallow, how the hell can you be black pilled and still...
incels.is
There are certain blue pills that many of you just can't let go of, but you get rid of others so conveniently, being black pilled isn't some buffet where you can pick and choose which black pills are suited to your "morality", and that's the danger in even believing in morality as a black piller, you'll always lie to yourself and make special exceptions for certain things
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Yeah, I'm talking about the real world, not contrived and imaginary scenarios that you concoct in your head.
In the cognitive and psychological developmental sense.
Also, it's not "incapable," it's "not fully capable," as in, they're still developing.
You're either not reading properly, not understanding properly, understanding full well and maliciously strawmanning, or you're just not getting it.
I'm reminded of that quote about malice and stupidity.
The argument that teenagers are as capable as adults in manipulation is absolutely wrong here (life experience, let alone science, tells us that), but you're still probably going to shit out essays in response trying to "win" by eventually name calling and saying I'm not black pilled or whatever (something you're doing already), because the black pill, according to you, is some all in proposition (QUE PEAR.PNG). That's some George W Bush tier "you're with us or against us" logic. The black pill is not some absolutism ideology where anything you say is part and parcel of being black pilled and anybody who disagrees is not black pilled (JFL). In fact it's not any kind of ideology at all.
This is why I've said before that it's a complete waste of time arguing with you. You're smart enough to string together coherent paragraphs, that much is evident, but you're stubborn enough and not smart enough to realize when you're wrong.
You still haven't answered my question of how old you are, by the way. You were quite evasive and ignored that for some reason.
JFL so you're going to assert that teen Chad trying to fuck low status teenage girls is contrived and imaginary, it NEVER happens in the "real world"?
I think its you not "getting it" so I'll be specific
GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE IN WHICH AN ADULT MALE IS MANIPULATING A TEEN FEMALE THAT CANNOT BE REPLICATED IN SOME FASHION BY A TEEN MALE
The entire BS argument is that the adult male is doing some kind of manipulation that a teen male can't, but I'd argue a teen male can do more in the world of manipulation because he understands THEIR culture (as in the culture of their generation), he knows the lingo, he knows what will hurt her feeling's, make her feel "lame" or left out, as a means to coax her into doing things, and he is going to have more time around her than any adult male
GO ON, GIVE AN EXAMPLE
Right now your argument is pretty much - "I'm right because I say I'm right, no explanation required"
All you are doing is asserting an adult male can manipulate more, you've given nothing to explain why, and unlike you I don't dismiss all hypotheticals as "contrived and imaginary", if we couldn't use hypotheticals in arguments a lot of arguments would never have happened
1. The irony, you've literally just dismissed my entire post and quoted two lines separate from the bulk of my arguments, and I'm the one being evasive
2. Do you want me to send you a picture of my face while I'm at it, do you see the irony in you telling me I'm smart enough to do X but for some reason other things escape me, this is such a scenario in your case
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Because soy programming has convinced people that teenagers are children that magically become adults at the auspicious number, 18.
For me, once a foid starts to bleed, she's no longer a child.
There's 13, 14 year old foids posting half naked pics of themselves on social media, yet society still insists that she's an innocent child.
For me, once a foid starts to bleed, she's no longer a child.
There's 13, 14 year old foids posting half naked pics of themselves on social media, yet society still insists that she's an innocent child.
I always wonder why 18, its an even number, but it doesn't feel "complete" is decimal numbers are base 10, it would feel more complete if they made it an even 20 lol, either way its arbitrary but they made it even more ridiculous looking by using the number 18, oh but you have to be 21 to drink alcohol, so a woman can suck dick before she can consume a certain beverage
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How do you know the rest of the world is "fucked" up?
Who the fuck are you to say who is fucked up? Why are you not fucked up?
What are your stats?
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