You could try to argue that a murderer doesn't know any better, that's a valid legal defense. It's just that it rarely works because any baby with a brain is supposed to know you're not supposed to kill people
Again, you are proving my point that you can't think about anything abstractly, what do you mean by "supposed to know", there is no such thing, in the natural world murder is normal, you are thinking about everything within the framework of human society, within the framework of everything you were raised to believe
Why is murder, something circumstantial and we have no drive to do something you should "just know" not to do
But sex, which is something essential to human existence and we do have a drive to do it, is just somehow "secret knowledge" you don't gain till the magical age of 18, like come on dude
Yes, even a child who can be manipulated into sex should know that murder is wrong
You have zero self awareness, your arguments are logically flawed, you don't even realize that right now you are presupposing your position in the very arguments you are stating your position, look at the language you are using, "manipulated"
How come if that same teen has sex with another teen you don't use the same word (manipulation) even though you'd argue their levels of competence hasn't changed?
Did they both "manipulate" eachother, or does manipulation stop being part of the picture the moment their ages are similar, it doesn't make sense, lets say I have a 16 year old Chad highschool jock and a 16 year old ex-fat girl who is part of the glee club or some other unpopular club, he is only now trying to have sex with her because she's no longer fat, he's had girls in the past, he knows what to say and he's in a position of high status, how is that any different than a man in his late 20's approaching the girl, I'd argue teen chad has more influence of that girl that the man in her 20's, he's more important within her "sphere of influence" as he is "popular" in her small little world of highschool
At the same time though, she just wants to fuck him because he's popular, or fuck the guy in his 20's because he's good look and/or can buy her things, why is "manipulation" even an issue, when manipulation is inherent to every interaction
We all want something, and we all leverage other peoples wants, use certain words, leave out details, etc in various aspects of our lives to get what we want, how come when manipulation relates to sex now its taboo, but we can do it with every other fucking thing in life and we act like its normal?
Like I said before and I'll keep saying, sex is just a sensitive issue, so we create arbitrary rules around it
You see as a society we label
MURDER as something
CLEAR CUT and
SIMPLE, because were comfortable with physical violence and death as a species, that's just a fact, its the reason why porn on tv would be seen as weird but I can purchase multiple MMA channels to watch guys beat eachother to a pulp or enjoy violent movies, things get censored, banned, and blocked off when it comes to sex because
SEX is something we label as
NO CLEAR CUT and
COMPLICATED, because sex makes everyone uncomfortable
you explained why they shouldn't do it by saying "because they shouldn't do it"
@FrothySolutions
I hope that two people pointing this out will bring you some kind of selfawareness
He's pointing out something even I did in my last reply:
You have zero self awareness, your arguments are logically flawed, you don't even realize that right now you are presupposing your position in the very arguments you are stating your position, look at the language you are using, "manipulated"
In a lot of your arguments, you seem to argue that you are right because you are right, you self affirm the validity of your arguments within the arguments themselves, you don't actually provide any rationale as to why you are right, you simply affirm that you are right because you say so or because "that's how it is", that's not an argument
Its scary how you aren't even aware that you are doing this, arguments like this are inherently fallacious
When you use words like "manipulation" in such a manner in the very argument in which we are trying to contest whether manipulation takes place, is shows that you aren't even arguing in good faith, you are merely affirming from the start that its manipulation